Joe Posnanski's Top 100 Players in Baseball

Barry White surely

Barry
Bo
Yeah jeets
Ohtani
Mark

In no order

Talk about subjectivity--for 30 years I've heard that as Barry Bonds, but right, it's gotta be Barry White.

Bo Jackson will be high.

"Fame" has a bit of a peak fame vs. career fame component. First sentence in yesterday's Fidrych entry: "The Bird’s fame was so intense and so short-lived that it’s difficult to fully recapture it."

Non exhaustive list of baseball player mentions in songs

https://genius.com/Rap-genius-athlete-references-in-rap-music-lyrics

First one I thought of was Sadahura Oh...Ryan Howard was on an episode of The Office, but pretty sure he's not making the list. (He was being schmoozed by a fledgling sports agency out of Philly.)

i got mad hits like i was Rod Carew

first to my mind: got mad hits like i was rod carew!

xpost dammit!

OH jr griffey over barry maybe for top 5

Ken Griffey should be top 5. He had the Nikes and he had his own game. He had an iconic look and ofc he was very good. And he’s still involved in the game regularly.

Also, this video made me laugh. He had that personality as a player too, like when Buck Showalter said he was “disrespecting” the game by wearing his hat backwards and he was like BUCK HASN’T GOT A 24 YEAR OLD GOOD ENOUGH TO CARRY MY JOCKSTRAP.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvIXk_2JAct/

How ya sound be? You're better off a quitter
I'm on the mound G, and it's a no-hitter
And my DJ the catcher, he's my man
Anyway he's the one who devised the plan
He throws the signs I hook up the beats with clout
I throw the rhymes to the mic and I strike em out
So it really doesn't matter on how you intrigue
You can't fuck with those in the major leagues

Unless I'm forgetting something obvious, don't think anybody in the last 50 years resonated in a pop song like DiMaggio did in "Mrs. Robinson."

don't forget about Fernandomania, Big Papi, Doc Gooden

are curt schilling and john rocker gonna make the list?

what about deion sanders?

Rickey will be on the list pretty high, I'm sure.

also Kirk Gibson of course. Sammy Sosa, too.

Pretty sure the one non-player he'll have on the list (see criterion #3 above) is Steinbrenner.

Steinbrenner was also the subject of jokes in the Simpsons and Seinfeld

national fame vs regional fame is kind of a key distinction here, probably. to me, ozzie smith is an incredibly famous baseball player. everyone around here knows ozzie smith. albert pujols. mark mcgwire in the late 90s was very famous (on a national level there, for a while, too).

i just polled a non-sports fan who grew up in kansas city. they answered "albert pujols. mike moustakis. oh, and a-rod". they recognized barry bonds name, and when i asked what they knew about him, they said "he cheated. and he took his socks off"

I think McGwire, Pujols, and Ozzie will all be on the list. Agree with your basic point. In Toronto, Moseby, Stieb, and Kelly Gruber are still famous.

I think Ozzie will make it on the strength of "Go crazy, folks!," The Simpsons, his cartwheel, and his nickname (above and beyond his playing credentials).

i wonder if george brett would make the list? pine tar + "the george brett story" on youtube

If you didn't follow baseball in the '70s, this will befuddle you (and if you did, you might hate it), but--just posted--#49: Steve Garvey. (Haven't read the entry yet.)

Brett, I'd say 100%--pine tar, chase for .400, epic post-seasons, hemorrhoids, The Simpsons, on and on.

Didn't realize he was running for the Senate in 2024. You know for which side...

https://stevegarvey.com/

I assumed he was a Republican without knowing anything about him cos most are, website confirmed that, but he could be a fairly standard democrat with those views, and the website is deceptive!

I think he's very much a Romney type of Republican, not so much a Trump guy, but in 2024, who knows. One thing I remember is him citing (during his playing days) Gerald Ford as his political hero for stepping in and (paraphrasing from memory) calming the country after Watergate. Later on that day, he went out and fathered three children.

lol

aahhh - I don't think Brett was on the Simpsons tho?

I thought he was in the Griffey/Ozzie episode, I guess not. He was in Modern Family, though.

george brett comes with a hank scorpio energy so i understand the simpsons confustion

Also Kent Brockman when he won the jackpot that time
https://64.media.tumblr.com/7fa2befb9037814a399c93853a736807/tumblr_oihjvzLbtC1uruw4so1_500.png

#48, Tommy Lasorda. I take it he doesn't consider managers "non-players"--he must have meant a separate category for people not on the field. Because surely Steinbrenner's on there, and there's no way Lasorda's the most famous manager of the past 50 years.

I mean, he's close. I'd say Billy Martin was more famous in the late '70s and into the '80s, maybe Torre, maybe Earl Weaver.

Slim fast my dudes

Sega Genesis games
Tommy Lasorda: 1
Billy Martin: 0

This was pretty famous in its day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOVHc4hcCX4

Close call--I don't know which of the two is more famous. Maybe Lasorda just by virtue of outliving Martin by three decades.

(Also, the true trademark-owner of "You're fired.")

Can't find a clip on YouTube, but in Spike Lee's Girl 6, Lee himself plays a card collector who's planning to retire one day on all the Ken Griffey Jr. '89 Upper Deck rookie cards he's hoarded.

#47: Don Mattingly.

These are all going to be behind a paywall, but I'll post a brief excerpt each day:

In the moment, Mattingly was often called the best player in baseball--Carlton Fisk, among many others, was quoted saying that. I don’t think, looking back, that he actually was the best player in baseball, or even the best player in the league. I think, even in his prime, Rickey Henderson, Wade Boggs and Cal Ripken Jr. were definitely more valuable, and perhaps also Alan Trammell and Eddie Murray and George Brett and Lou Whitaker. Mattingly didn’t walk much, so, even though he hit for such high averages, he never had a .400 on-base percentage. And after his age-26 season, his power numbers tumbled.

But such stats might cause people to miss the larger point of Don Mattingly: He was both this larger-than-life ballplayer and the guy who lives next door. He was this extension of Yankees royalty--a direct descendant of Gehrig and DiMaggio and Mantle--and also a reminder of what the Yankees used to represent. People love to talk about the meaning of the pinstripes. Well, the pinstripes did look right on him.

#46: Jim Palmer. (With the headline "A Good Head of Hair"--before I scrolled down, my first thought was "Seriously? Oscar Gamble?!")

Over the last 100 years, here are the lowest WHIPs—walks and hits per inning pitched—in high-leverage situations:

1. Jim Palmer, 0.993
2. Sandy Koufax, 1.007
3. Tom Seaver, 1.029
4. Juan Marichal, 1.032
5. Mariano Rivera, 1.070

Now, here is the career WHIP for each of those pitchers:

1. Jim Palmer, 1.180 (118th all-time)
2. Sandy Koufax, 1.106 (30th)
3. Tom Seaver, 1.121 (40th)
4. Juan Marichal, 1.101 (24th)
5. Mariano Rivera, 1.000 (4th)

You explain that. You explain how Jim Palmer had the lowest WHIP ever in high-leverage situations--when the game was basically on the line--and a less-than-legendary WHIP the rest of the time. It’s not like Palmer was especially skilled at preventing baserunners. He did lead the league in WHIP once, late in his career, but he also walked 100-plus batters three times (and 99 batters once) and four times was among the top 10 in most hits allowed.

What allowed him to turn it up when the heat was at its highest?

Just skimmimg, there's no mention of Baltimore's legendary defense. I realize that's part of the answer, but I also think Palmer really was the rare player who, over a very large sample size, was "clutch." Like the famous stat where he never gave up a grand slam in 213 bases-loaded situations; obviously, that had nothing to do with his defense.

What allowed him to turn it up when the heat was at its highest?

the flexibility and breathability of jockey men's briefs, of course

I'm surprised he didn't use one of those ads for the accompanying photo--pretty close!

https://i.postimg.cc/v8gtRPNB/palmer.jpg

(Having read it now, there is brief mention of the Orioles' defense--including Palmer getting angry at DeCinces for not getting in front of the ball, a feud, and then Palmer later apologizing that he'd been spoiled by Brooks Robinson.)

Palmer is also famous for hardly ever giving up grand slams but also walking home more runs than other good pitchers. The guy knew what he was doing

Interesting. That would more go along with what I meant--not that he had some magical ability to get out of jams, more that he was a smart guy who could weigh the possible outcomes and would concede a run to avoid a big inning (and his defense definitely would have helped there, giving him the confidence that walking a run in was okay).

In the future, everyone will count down famous baseball players for 15 minutes...seems to have stalled for some reason.

Bizarre--literally two minutes after posting that, the new one showed up.

#45: Kirk Gibson

Gibson’s fame was certainly mixed. He never played in an All-Star Game. He played 140 games in a season only three times. He hit 255 home runs and stole 284 bases—when he retired he was one of only nine players to have 250 homers and 250 steals—and yet there was always this sense that his career was a disappointment, that it had fallen short of what might have been. But I tend to believe careers are often what they’re supposed to be, and I’m not sure that a mercurial player like Kirk Gibson—who played with such wild abandon—can stay healthy or be metronome consistent. He was a bright-lights performer. He was a ferocious competitor. He was a football player. Had he stayed in football, who knows, his bust might be in Canton right now. But baseball wouldn’t have been the same.

I don't know if it was the only time he was on the cover of SI, but the issue accompanying the piece is early:

https://i.postimg.cc/zDK1P1mT/kirk.jpg

how do you do that, win an MVP, and *never* make the all star team?!

I don't know if he's the only guy ever to accomplish that, but definitely strange. I thought he would have been part of the '84 game, but he did get off to a so-so start: .273/.349/.483, 12 HR, 46 RBI. (The Tigers were 57-27 at the break.)

(Chet Lemon made it; .307/.377/.540, 12 HR, 51 RBI. Close, but clearly better.)

Gibby w/o a moustache is so weird