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ralf and florian is nice, summery, kind of hawaiian

-- this explains why i like that lp so much!

amateurist, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

Techno Pop was basically a failed album that had the best parts remixed into Electric Cafe. I doubt it will ever seen the light of day and I am not too upset about it. It would be neat to hear out of curiosity, but I doubt they have eight Tour de France style joints sitting in the can waiting to be heard.

That being said, I can only imagine what they have in their archives. I would love to hear the demos for songs that didn't make the cut for their studio albums. They will never be heard while Hutter is alive, but it will be interesting to see how his estate handles the music.

It will also be interesting to see who is credited on the box set. I wonder if Schneider will have his name removed like Bartos and Flur.

your original display name is still visible (Display Name), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

.. and Conny Plank...

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

1983 demo version of 'Techno Pop' is utterly different than album version, almost a 70's retrench with the Orchestron vocal choir playing the chord sequence, I like it better than the album version

& there were three new tunes on the 98 tour than remain unreleased, I can see why but I'd still love a studio version of the one that sounds like their take on Basic Channel

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

word! is that demo vers floating around somewhere reachable?
the live versions I've heard of the "Techno Pop" stuff is pretty great ... hard-hitting, muscular stuff

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

usual place, + demo version of 'techno pop' widely available on 'ultra rare trax volume 2' comp, most widely available bootleg of 97/98 tour is 'Computer Sinfonien ZKM'

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

correction, one word "Computersinfonien"

but "Tribal Gathering" and "Live at the Fillmore" boots pretty good too

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

ace, thanks!

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

"but "Tribal Gathering" and "Live at the Fillmore" boots pretty good too"

for a second i'm thinking i clicked on the live dead thread by mistake...

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah I mean "Fillmore" is a better, more lush recording that captures more of the vibe of the night, but at "Tribal" Ralf was just so on

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

The only Kraftwerk recordings I have are 70's era, including the one with Rother + Dinger, and this one from Leverkusen with a 40 minute Autobahn

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

you know where leonardo is? I've been looking for Leverkusen forever, I'll put up 1975 Brighton if you post that one

to go back to "Tribal" it was like Ralf had all this energy that you could literally see rising out of his hands, and it wasn't the acid because I asked Mary and she saw the same tendrils

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

It's in flac or shn; what's the best way to send something of that size?

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

i quite liked the three late 90s demos esp. the Tribal '97 one. actually 'Tango' was a bit shit but they kept doing that live for a while unlike the other two.

unban dictionary (blueski), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

oh jeez, probably zipping the flac files would get them under sendspace-able 300 MB

I know this is bad form trading right out here on the street but seriously if they sold this shit legit we wouldn't be in the sorry state we are right now man

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh it's fine, I got it all on dime/dc++ anyway. It's not like it's copyrighted or anything.

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

Relistening to this Autobahn for the first time in like 6 years. Sound quality's kind of shit, but performance is simply transcendent. If this isn't A++++ I don't know what is; the motorik breakdown alone is like 10 minutes. Will post soon.

The whole thing's 980 megs though; I think I'll just V0 this or something.

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

fine with mp3's

Kraftwerk POX
http://www.sendspace.com/file/jfeegk

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

the other non-album Kraftwerk single I'm looking for, the pre-Conny Plank 7" version of “Kohoutek – Kometenmelodie” - http://www.headheritage.com/unsung/thebookofseth/1743

have heard side 1, still haven't heard side 2

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

ha ha until this very second, oh blogspot.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://www.sendspace.com/file/5rsc6e

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 02:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

Techno Pop version of 'Sex Object'

http://r*pidshare.com/files/266436158/kwtp.zip.html

Brakhage, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 05:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

ha ha until this very second, oh blogspot.

― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:58 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

where?

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 06:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

If you google kohoutek and kraftwerk it's one of the first results

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 12:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yeah, found one. Quite recently, I did that, got nowt...

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 14:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

chemicalbeats.blogspot.com usually has some good stuff.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 14:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://chemicalbeats.blogspot.com/2008/11/kraftwerk-kohoutek-kometenmelodie.html

stuff like that

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 14:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

Leverkusen is hilarious, it's rare to hear that many technical problems / mistakes, it's enjoyable. and that version of Autobahn is hands down beautiful.

for the Brighton show they'd just bought the Orchestron, so it's a fun chance to hear them use those TEE Strings / Radioactivity Choir samples on almost every single song

not a single one of the 70's shows I don't want to hear at least once: http://www.valand.gu.se/dm/students/andreas/kw_skivor/bootlegs.html

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 18:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

They never did perform "Europe Endless"/"Endless Endless"/"Franz Schubert" live did they? I would killlll to hear one...

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

you should track down the london roundhouse gig from 1976, they do "europe endless" and a version of "trans europe express" that sounds like a work in progress, quite different from the released version

zappi, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'd love to hear that

also, above, when saying 'Live at the Fillmore' I in fact meant '19980607 - Live at the Warfield, SF'

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

I know this is retarded and I love Kraftwerk but seeing them live this year made me sad. Maybe they're too old for this sort of thing now. :(

Turangalila, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

listening back (cough cough) "europe endless" is not quite there either, the rhythm is different & faster, extra vocal bits etc. its quite odd hearing songs you know inside out at an earlier stage.

zappi, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

seeing them live this year made me sad.

I saw them last year and it was AMAZING (had never seen Florian-including lineup though)

more funny and original than, 'ow you say, a penis (sic), Thursday, 13 August 2009 05:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

I love Kraftwerk but seeing them live this year made me sad

Yeah, I skipped the early 00s UK dates because I thought I would prefer to imagine how they'd have been at the time of releasing their best music rather than see them now, but inspired by last-tour-ever rumours I was considering seeing them next month in Helsinki...

(Mainly I just noticed I have some leave left and thought that Helsinki would be fun and a music festival in Helsinki would be extra fun and a music festival with Kraftwerk headlining would be, uh, extra extra fun.)

a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 13 August 2009 13:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

Jori Hulkkonen's Acid Symphony is opening for Kraftwerk in Helsinki. You should go. I've seen clips of their performance and it's really unique and fun. Then you could stick around and see 4 old dudes stand behind laptops with cool visuals projected behind them.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 13 August 2009 16:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

Then you could stick around and see 4 old dudes stand behind laptops with cool visuals projected behind them.
Bwahahaha. QFT.

Turangalila, Thursday, 13 August 2009 18:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

the whole second half of that Leverkusen gig is top notch. the version of Kristallo is intense, and what in the world is that Irish jig that Ralf moogs into for the last ten minutes of the show? it's closer to Roedelius than anything they ever came close to putting on a record, even the keyboard noodling on 'Ralf and Florian' is restrained compared to that. Cluster and Kraftwerk really were on parallel tracks in 1974... thanks for posting SD.

I would love to hear the rest of that Roundhouse gig, not to beg for further generosity. Here's 'Kraftwerk !/2', which was a CDR of all their 70/71 WDR TV appearances put out by the same Seidr label that released 'K4' -- it should have gotten the same amount of attention, but it's clever title is unfortunately completely googleproof

Milton Parker, Thursday, 13 August 2009 18:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oops, the Finland date is actually, uh, tonight. Guess I'm not going then!

Thanks for all the music links, much appreciated.

a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 13 August 2009 21:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

sorry milton, got sidetracked. full roundhouse

zappi, Thursday, 13 August 2009 22:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

T/F: this is the best thread on ILM

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Friday, 14 August 2009 05:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

T. Maybe.

Thanks Milton, for that !/2 thing, I've never been able to locate it. Organisation's Ruckzuck is quite hilarious. Bongo's?
Thansk Stevie for the Leverkusen gig. German girls making fun of fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n :-D

Local recordshop has a few Kraftwerk boots on vinyl. Don't know them by heart but a here's a few:
Somewhere in Europe (Side a is Paris, b is Utrecht iirc)
Showroom Dummies (double LP, not sure about the title, it's a UK gig from 1975)
an LP with WDR recordings (amongst which both Kometenmelodies and Autobahn)
a double LP with 1975 US recordings.
and probably two more I forgot

Tips as to what's good? Should probably get them all, right? ;-)

willem, Friday, 14 August 2009 06:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

willem et al have you all heard the Kraftneu! recordings? There's the legendary K4 bootleg, and apparently there's another one from St. Ingbert, '71

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Friday, 14 August 2009 06:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

I've got the K4 and love it, don't know the St. Ingbert boot.

willem, Friday, 14 August 2009 06:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

Just found it on my hard drve; kinda sounds like shit and is cut off at the end.

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Friday, 14 August 2009 06:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

Great stuff, guys

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Friday, 14 August 2009 08:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

Somewhere in Europe (Side a is Paris, b is Utrecht iirc)

the 20 minutes from Olympia, Paris, 19760228 are a beautiful radio concert w/ good sound grade A if you like 'Ralf and Florian'. the Utrecht side is 6 songs from 1981, all great but leaves out too many of the best things from the 1981 tour (I recommend '19810907 - Virtu ex Machina (Tokyo)' is a good soundboard recording, '19810703 - Live at the Hammersmith Odeon, London' is a room recording but has an incredible 8-bit toy solo in 'Pocket Calculator', and the 'It's More Fun To Compute' encore at 150 bpm = yes

Showroom Dummies (double LP, not sure about the title, it's a UK gig from 1975)

want to hear this

an LP with WDR recordings (amongst which both Kometenmelodies and Autobahn)

this is one of the first ones that made it to CD as 'Super Golden Radio Shows'. pretty low fidelity for a radio gig. hearing this actually put me off the trail of hunting down 70's live kraftwerk for a long time, and it's definitely not as good as the semi-legit Concert Classics which anyone still reading this almost certainly wants

a double LP with 1975 US recordings.

there are so many I haven't heard. I have an LP of them playing Kentucky that's very fuzzy, but has a crazy four on the floor kickdrum for 'Tanzmusik' that shows just how different they played the set night to night

I'd love to hear the St. Ingert, even though all reports put it at barely listenable

Milton Parker, Friday, 14 August 2009 21:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

Will work on upping the Ingbert tonight. Milton, do you have anything good from 90/91ish when they performed "Tour de France" or the 97/98 shows with the "new songs"?

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Friday, 14 August 2009 22:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

still haven't heard any 90/91 shows, which would be interesting to hear because it's the one post-digital but pre-laptop tour

the ZKM concert was the only one where they played all three of the new songs: http://sickness-abounds.blogspot.com/2008/08/kraftwerk-robotronik-bermensch.html

Milton Parker, Friday, 14 August 2009 22:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

MP what's your favorite live recording of "Numbers"? And why?

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Saturday, 15 August 2009 02:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

they turn "Telephone Call" into a real jam and just forego the vocals entirely

Anything to do with the fact that Karl Bartos sang it originally? And Ralf didn't like his vocal either - too emotional.

Tonight I Cut My Temple Teeth (Tom D.), Friday, 11 August 2017 15:13 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah that's probably exactly the reason.

funny to hear a 70 year-old Hutter sing "Sex Object". what a strange tune that is.

frogbs, Friday, 11 August 2017 15:25 (one year ago) Permalink

three months pass...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09g0m2q

HCMF40 (Huddersfield Contemporary Music Festival - Radio 3)

The programme features music from the arch-experimentalist ensemble zeitkratzer and their tribute to the iconic German band Kraftwerk, with live performances of numbers from their critically acclaimed albums "Kraftwerk" and "Kraftwerk 2".

(disclaimer, i haven't listened to this yet)

koogs, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 09:25 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...
two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIbSkw4yvec

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Friday, 24 August 2018 14:46 (three months ago) Permalink


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