Sarahel's Semiotics 4U

this is:wait is that an actual painting or just the redacted cover to his Ph.D thesis xxp

― a being that goes on two legs and is ungrateful (dyao), Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:09 PM (1 minute ago)

i mean

the mythic bi-polar strcuture of conventional football, where an us-and-them struggle mediated by the referee

I think this is the system Harbl was referring to, sort of! The mythic false choice.

Offside, back-passes and the card system are all universal and widely-acknowledged improvements to the game. Nobody has suggested that they are for the benefit of the few, unlike the transfer system. In fact, they all encourage a fairer and more balanced style of game.

This should overcome the prominent resistance to women taking their full part in football.

Ha ha!

the mythic false choice in competitive sports refers to following/rooting for a particular team, when they are more or less the same ... unless I'm missing something.

In fact, they all encourage a fairer and more balanced style of game.

I agree but they ARE tinkering, albeit helpful and successful.

yeah there are probably hundreds of different false choices you could find but i was thinking it related to the team you picked

when they are more or less the same

Much of the fun of sports for those who follow its narratives, is the discussion of whether x team's long term strategy, recent acquisitions, game tactics will prove to be successful and the fact that the result is far more concrete that most results in human affairs. Some games are even played entirely by the rules and one or the other side succeeds.

but yeah, the us-and-them struggle too

okay, the soccer mom thing ...

The "soccer mom" is definitely a polyvalent (can be read as having positive or negative connotations, depending on the reader) term.

Before the LPA organised its first game at the Glasgow Anarchist Summer School in 1993, there is little evidence of any games being played.

yeah xxp. i agree with that too. it can still be interesting.

more i think about it, it is harder to insert sports into a semiology of value systems and commodity exchanges of players etc. notwithstanding

eg the complete lack of messianism of team sport which employs you know "a level playing field" and where victory is regulated and endlessly repeatable (not definitive)

this is why it is always so lame to see players celebrating winning

Nah, I think you're on it Sarah, but my argument is that the choice can be made for reasons outside of Debord's 'preposterous ontological superiority' argument; many sports fans accept that their team isn't very good, but they support due to an almost familial desire to belong. A tribal and yes often regional association, but not necessarily a regionalIST one.

M White's last post is excellent. Not every team is the same. If you've invested consideration into one (or more) particular team, it follows that you'd want to see how the team(s) fared.

I really want to play 3-sided football. The instantaneous switchings of allegiance would be just so so so amazing and lol.

Winning is a transient state, but it's fun to bask before time has its revenge.

http://www.richardhellergallery.com/dynamic/images/detail/44_19_ONSPORTS5P.jpg

fyi

The basic definition of a "soccer mom" is a woman who spends a significant amount of time serving as chauffeur to her child or children to a variety of organized extracurricular activities that are chosen with the child's development in mind.

this is why it is always so lame to see players celebrating winning

And yet, oddly, so natural. Games are at the very heart of human child development and competition is the nature of life on Earth. It may be childish but what's more childish than an adult playing sport professionally?

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not just a chauffeur which implies passivity, but is also an active planner and hunter out of those organized extracurricular activities xp

looooool @ that jpg

my issue with 'soccer mom' is that it has itself become a lifestyle label, associated with overcompetitive parenting and conversely subjugation to the needs of a child, whereas individual cases are not quite so black-and-white as this

i wouldn't say an adult playing sport professionally is childish. an adult playing sport professionally and throwing a wobbly when things go badly, now that is childish

subjugation to the needs of the child? IME the needs of the child are being subjugated

soccer mom

I think it was a socio-ethnologic niche for advertisers and politicians at first, no?

exactly ... the soccer mom character is a more innocuous version of the Angela Landsbury's Machiavellian mother role in "The Manchurian Candidate."

also, is soccer mom just a less-loaded term than stay-at-home mom which itself replaced housewife

No, soccer mom is even more loaded. The soccer mom isn't necessarily a stay-at-home mom.

sorry, subjugation to the SUPPOSED needs of a child, which are actually a projection of a false narrative of competitiveness which turns the child into an annex of the adult

i wouldn't say an adult playing sport professionally is childish

First off why necessarily assume that my use of childish is derogatory? Much of my childhood was idyllic.

If games are training for the kind of agression/defences that homo sapiens (and many other species) will engage in, warfare, hunting, etc., then continuing to play football as 26 year old as opposed to actually using all those athletic skills to defend ailing grandfathers and tots from marauding Vikings and saber-toothed cats might, indeed, be seen as childish.

do these uses of the world 'false' in terms like 'false option' and 'false narrative' imply some sort of platonic and normative true version that these sports fans and soccer moms just aren't privy to?

I didn't think you meant it in a particularly derogatory way; my issue is that sport is a universal impulse, and only when it involves uncontrollable and irrational emotional reactions (or, more positively, an instance of unprecedented and illogical genius), does it become particularly childish. I don't consider it training for combat. It is the combat itself. The test of self against fellows.

true choices: love, friends, art

...or ARE THEY

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sport is not a universal impulse btw

The soccer mom's aim is to train her child/children to be the best he/she can be, with militaristic discipline in terms of adhering to strict timetables, and engaging in activities to strengthen both mind and body, based on intelligence gleaned from parenting manuals and articles.

I've always suspected that all soccer moms actually descend from the true bloodline of Sparta

universal along the chain of age, not among all people

the soccer mum is subjugated by the Needs of Her Child rather than the needs of her child, then, and the Needs also subjugate the child. The Child subjugates the child.

btw, here is a really pretty lolsome account of an actual 3 sided football match

wait why are some words capitalized and others aren't

I don't consider it training for combat.

I do. It teaches prowess and human aggression shows no signs of abating anytime soon.

(OMG I wonder if the preux in 'preux chevalier' is related to the prow in prowess?)

do these uses of the world 'false' in terms like 'false option' and 'false narrative' imply some sort of platonic and normative true version that these sports fans and soccer moms just aren't privy to?

This is one of the primary critiques of marxist/structuralist thought ... "false choices" and "false narrative" came out of the Marxist "false consciousness." It raised the question that there is a true consciousness, and how do those suggesting that people suffer from false choices, false consciousness, false narratives know that these are false? How do they know what is true? Also, if all anyone has experienced is false, and will experience is coded as "false," then what does truth matter, anyway?

I've always suspected that all soccer moms actually descend from the true bloodline of Sparta

No wonder 300 did so well at the box office.

wait why are some words capitalized and others aren't

The ones that are capitalised are the society-endorsed Spectacle.

Sport is, one might argue, the end rather than the means these days. Perhaps we've gone all soft.

Love, friends, art: true choices? :D

I've never heard of a proper place or name called Spectacle, unless you mean this one

(I'm just messin' with ya)

A singular feature of three-sided football is that casual passers-by are as entitled to play as the original participants. Before long an Italian runs on and proceeds to push, dig, goal-hang and score with all the flamboyance and petulance his footballing heritage can muster. Ignoring one third of the pitch, he's either a fascist or he doesn't see the third goal, but as his only words of English are "Goal! Goal!", it's difficult to find out which.

i haven't read this stuff in a while so i wasn't sure but i had always thought they didn't really care about what 'true' meant, they just wanted to point out things that were 'not true' and true is just like, an empty hole in the center. or it was something you could only experience if you were raised by wolves. but also that the point of materialism is that meaning is man-made.

Love is a rather difficult word to pin down.

Friends, if you are truly a friend to them then, yes.

Wait, I thought there was no free will... or is that just no free lunch?

Spectacle = all is Maya?

Art is found in the viewer, not the object