Disco

not giving you guys much I know, & appreciation in advance

In "Turn The Beat Around" Peter Schapiro describes Francis Grasso mixing the breakdowns of "Whole Lotta Love" and "I'm A Man" from the first Chicago album... not positive if that's the example you're thinking of, I'm sure "Whole Lotta Love" has been used by other DJs for similar mixes.

From Love Saves The Day by Tim Lawrence, p. 35, about early '70s Sanctuary DJ Francis Grasso: "The DJ's most famous permutation layered the Latin beats of Chicago's 'I'm A Man' over the erotic groans and vocal break of Led Zeppelin's 'Whole Lotta Love.'"

xp, obv

that's it precisely. I've never read either of those two books, but memory jogged, it was "I'm a man"

Lightening fast you guys, thanks

I wonder if spencer still feels like this.

― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, July 13, 2009 6:29 AM (4 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not if hes heard this nu ringtone cru anthem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dZqghXe5FY

Damn you, Geir, for sabotaging an amazingly rare near-unanimous "C or D" thread!

Mostly classic, even though there were a few dud moments, such as sides three of Donna Summer's great "Bad Girls" and "Once Upon a Time..." albums.

easy disco track id: "from east to the west, only you know me best"

Milton, you might also want to check out DJ Harvey's Black Cock edit of The Winners' "Get Ready for the Future" (called "Get Ready") which also features Zep's "Whole Lotta Love" mixed into it.

will check it out, thanks. mostly trying to reconstruct early sampling precedents right now. drew mentioned a classic Levan trick, fading Kendricks' "Date With The Rain" into Chaka Khan's "Clouds" -- anyone know if there are tapes of this? I have the Live at the Paradise Garage CD set, but that's mostly segued beatmatching, not too much active juxtaposition or trickery... I'm interested in any actual 70's documents of the more creative mixes

I wonder if spencer still feels like this.

I've been trying to get into "funky house" but despite reading a lot of skykicking, I'm not quite there yet.

Still lots of good dance music around, but no movement I'm currently excited about.

I have the Live at the Paradise Garage CD set, but that's mostly segued beatmatching, not too much active juxtaposition or trickery... I'm interested in any actual 70's documents of the more creative mixes

― Milton Parker, Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

huh? 'more creative' mixes? you get a mix with cher, german disco & jermaine jackson, what are u looking for exactly?

Ok, exactly how is that sweeping stringy noise in disco songs used

(e.g. 21 seconds in here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g6bUe5MDRo )

I just can't put my finger on it (and it's definitely among the better sounds in music's history)

I have the Live at the Paradise Garage CD set, but that's mostly segued beatmatching, not too much active juxtaposition or trickery... I'm interested in any actual 70's documents of the more creative mixes

― Milton Parker, Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

huh? 'more creative' mixes? you get a mix with cher, german disco & jermaine jackson, what are u looking for exactly?

― butthurt (deej), Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:40 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude look at his post, he's talking about the MIXING not the tracklist

yeah from all reports larry was more interested in song selection and thematic sets than technically sophisticated mixes. still i love that live album so much, even though some of the segues are abrupt or rough it's so exciting or uh "hot" as they used to say.

i dont understand the part where he says 'actual 70s documents of more creative mixes' about an actual 70s document that has lots of creative mixes

'mixes' in this case meaning 'the mixing'

i mean, thats how Djs spun back then ... its not like they were doing long house music style blends or something

don't get me wrong, that mix is a symphony and it takes creativity to find a seamless flow through so many different songs, didn't mean to sound dismissive, and I know that is more representative of what the cutting edge was than the occasional moment of proto-mashup juxtaposition. people were mainly interested in turning corners, and extending the breaks out (the other anecdote that sticks in my mind is Kraftwerk at a US disco in the 70's hearing the DJ put on 'Metal on Metal' and only about 6 minutes later realizing 'what's happening, our record is only 3 minutes long, how this is still going')

that being said, I'm just as interested in looking for those proto-mashup flareups because we know they were happening

also re: Francis Grasso, looks like the text most of the stories about him come from is the 1978 Albert Goldman book. Looks like Grasso started doing sets in 1968, disco before disco

http://ped111251.tripod.com/francis.htm

this is myth-making

the second you take the mid-section of "I'm a Man" out of context and start adding stuff to it, I don't think 'disco before disco' is overstatement?

Another story is when (Levan) first played the Peech Boys' "Life is something special". He teased everyone by playing bits and pieces of it mixed into other records throughout the whole evening until he finally decided to play the whole thing. But a "standard" Levan mix would usually last for some 15-20 minutes with added extracts of other songs and sound effects. - http://www.disco-disco.com/tributes/larry.shtml

^^ this description is what I'm on the hunt for

though it is possible that because I'm ignorant of the source materials, I can't hear the number of layers going on in the mixes I've heard because they're so seamless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZceQEwJwYrA&feature=related

no-fi recording, but you can hear him slipcueing -- hard entrances on each new song, not much in the way of crossfades, but right on the downbeat, so it doesn't even matter when the bpm changes slightly, the beat just keeps going

rented the DVD of 'Klute' tonight to see this, there's a 1971 documentary on the making of the film with wider shots of the Sanctuary that give you a better sense of what the room was really like, I love that it was converted over from a cathedral

more a church than a cathedral, but the sanctuary site is still there on w.43rd street. it's been a theatre for quite awhile now. in the early 2000's I walked past almost every day on my way to work when "the vagina monologues" played there. dig that asymmetry/lol at the irony etc.

there was a heart-rending interview w/francis grasso in the new york times around 2003, just before he died. seemed like his life caught up w/him.

i need a track id, guys. a classic disco song i heard in a Daniel Wang set that goes "who do you love?! oh yes it's you, boy. i really should know. i thought i really should know. who do you love?! there was another. but now it's you, boy."

thanks!

Hi, Dan. It's THP Orchestra - Who Do You Love.

Disco is all kinds of amazing. The Full length disco albums thread on here got me into so many records that I now love that I'd never heard of. It's a shame so much is out of print though.

Tantra's Double Album anyone?

I think I have Number 1 In Heaven By Sparks to thank for getting me into disco.

anyone know the name of this track? thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFXNJzwAe60

So can anyone recommend some good melancholic disco. Some times I'm just not in the mood for cheery uplifitingness, I need some top-notch weepy, emotional music that's still good to dance to.

On an unrelated note, ILM needs some of this, for reasons that I hope should be self-evident
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GZulX2184A&feature=related

Oh and durr, that's an instrumental version of Mascara - Baja. A truly excellent track at that.

definitely one of the more inspired jürgen korduletsch productions.

i find the three degrees "year of decision" as melancholy as I find "dirty ol' man" uplifting - but that may be just me.
obvious answer - Marvin Gaye - "here, my dear" (LP) which includes the discoliscious "funky space reincarnation" and some other, remorseful tunes with wah wah.

@EDB: Phyllis Hyman - Loving You, Losing You

some recent discoveries:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-zy2MQJ6Ew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV9H7bw9M3Q

I always liked uptempo Euro style disco, but it's been a quest to find it. Anyone know more stuff like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9SWr0NebxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihe4RTDwiwI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvX78gKhv-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpHrKIOFPnw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5rHrICKj64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGF7GF0p6ek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOSupwhM-H8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnfWSN4pId4

That Azoto track is massively different from the only track I heard by them before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDj5MwKpNrE

Good stuff, always dug the Azoto tracks. I just stumbled on these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCS50QaH_j8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VbLB4UEFvw

http://www.discogs.com/Loud-E-Dance-Your-Pants-Off-Vol-1-2-3/release/784133

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGADOwcACBY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X6mm2puwxs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-pFJO8u90c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnTusbeoTX0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTFCwKvlKZo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eVS6K_6tP8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsvkWokUqU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7GJ7W92YDY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEmwLZeRZy4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui2V1n17x4I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMaWR9-tuy0

Never tire of this double A side.

can you guys recommend some books about disco? preferably something pretty comprehensive, american-focussed, or some oral history. looking at buying "love saves the day" by tim lawrence right now, looks pretty good, have any of you read it or recommend something else? thx

Turn The Beat Around by Peter Shapiro is really good

The Disco Files 1973-1978, mainly composed of Vince Aletti's weekly disco columns for Record World, a trade magazine - all of them, in fact. Tons of inside dope from a scenester who knew what he was talking about. Has the advantage of the immediacy factor, having been written in the moment. Also works as a reference book, complete with hundreds of contemporary playlists from DJs nationwide.

^^^^