Irish politics discussion thread

Yeah, true. They were pretty bad on reproductive rights on the other side of the border

im not sure if "look at what their positions are in NI" carries an awful lot of weight, for two reasons (this is all just "i think")

i. having to govern with these loons, tbf

ii. not sure how many potential sf voters down south *really* think of sf ni and sf roi as an entity like that

i think at present they are weighing up the arithmetic between showing how pragmatic theyd actually be in govt across the range of issue that have gained them poll points vs their own internal priorities as an all island party, because theyve reached the limit of growth as far as saying "we'll definitely do what you want that the current govt isnt" to a very wide range of opinion goes

id still be surprised if ff/fg/greens carry the next election tbh but the fracturing of further left and right offers a somewhat changed set of rules there?

The noise about them earlier this week was them taking some lumps from PDP because SF are planning on going to the states for St Patrick's day (and.. meet the President? did they do a lot of this pre-Biden?) for what will presumably be a big fund-raising trip for them?

i dont see it being a 4% issue but combine it with SF confirming quite strongly of late they are an open borders party like fg/ff on immigrants (this ofc is how its being viewed and described by the right wingers) might be.

dropping from both sides basically

ah and mary lou said theyd bring house prices in dublin down to 300k

now i suspect there wasnt all *that* many ppl *that* invested in the asset calue of their gaff who had been telling red c they would vote for sf until then

but im also sure that its a non-zero number, and more than likely the greater part of any migration here is not in the "i disagree with that" space its in the "youve said something major that you you absolutely wont be backing up with any sort of actual plan or policy here"

do other parties do this? yeah. does it hurt them as much? for as long as SF are actual prospective leaders of a govt who havent been in govt they are going to be vulnerable to this i think.

does this type of grandstanding gain them proportionally more votes from ppl who like the headline message? again i think we are now seeing them hover along the limit lines of exactly that question on the topics that matter.

A friend in the civil service has said there's been all sorts of misinformation on the Family amendment in the agricultural media, preying off the fact that succession and inheritance are obsessions for a lot of farmers.

The FLAC are supporting Yes/No, I know some people voting Yes/Yes on the grounds of fuck Conor McGregor, No/No seem like head cases by and large - is there anyone brave enough to come out for No/Yes?

the majority of ppl i know are not voting

the govt efforts around it have been woeful and the decisions to string a few things together and leave the actual outcomes unclear until interpreted by the courts have been badly taken by and large

Yeah, I heard it was not the best - if I was there I'd probably vote Yes/Something just on the grounds that a No on the Family will be seen by the worst people as a sign that the tide is starting to turn.