Pounded in the butt by a Woke Judge's Doppelganger
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:02 (three months ago) link
Habba: Were you concerned for safety?Martin: On some levels. And for my daughter.Habba: Did you tell Ms. Carroll?Martin: Yes.Habba: How?Judge Kaplan: Is this a hypothetical question?Habba: Text, or in person - that was my questionJudge Kaplan: No it wasn't— Inner City Press (@innercitypress) January 25, 2024
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:02 (three months ago) link
hoping Kaplan closes procedures by saying "Damages are awarded in the amount of $x to the plaintiff. Habba...Nagila."
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:05 (three months ago) link
ladies and gentlemen, AN OPEN GOAL
Martin: After the NYT podcast there was interest.. There was a Harvey Weinstein sidebar... Not just E. Jean, but others as well.Habba: Did you think Ms. Carroll was enjoying the attention?Martin: At points.Habba: Ms. Martin, what does narcissism mean to you?— Inner City Press (@innercitypress) January 25, 2024
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:08 (three months ago) link
(last tweet share, I know ya'll can read the thread on your own or follow online, but that one was too rich)
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:09 (three months ago) link
this is a damages trial, yet she's trying to actually argue the merits of Trump's guilt, which has already been decided, and in fact, which has been given as a stipulation for why Trump can't talk about the merits of the case when he testifies. Habba seems to be trying to get the judge to vacate his previous decision, which.....LOL
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:16 (three months ago) link
"Habba is also a piece of shit"
She got in with Trump by grooming one of his employees who was sexually harassed by her boss and then after gaining her confidence + trust she tricked her into signing some bullshit waiver that meant she'd recieve next to nothing in damages and then she stopped talking to her. She's a hideous piece of shit.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:30 (three months ago) link
sorry, one more...lmao
Judge Kaplan: Objection sustained.Habba: But you have shared Ms. Carroll's private messages?Martin: I really don't remember.Habba: Do you see that you sent this to--Judge Kaplan: Sustained. You are reading a document not in evidence— Inner City Press (@innercitypress) January 25, 2024
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:34 (three months ago) link
i have no clue what the angle is w/ this questioning
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:38 (three months ago) link
it's a performance for Trump and gives them something to complain about later
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:40 (three months ago) link
ostensibly it's to lower the damages by suggesting that Carroll is not really in emotional distress and is milking this for attention, but I doubt it worked.
Habba is objecting to every statement Carroll makes in cross now.
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:42 (three months ago) link
xp - otm, this way he can shriek later about how the CROOKED and CORRUPT judge LOSER in this RIGGED WITCH HUNT wouldn't allow his lawyers to present a defense, and the rubes will believe him
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:43 (three months ago) link
thing is though the guilt has already been decided, this is degrees of damages, so that ship already sailed
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:44 (three months ago) link
yes, but they have plenty of extreme ignorant and gullible people ready to believe whatever they say
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:45 (three months ago) link
she has no joke objected to every statement Carroll's attorney has made, all have been overruled except one that was sidebarred and I don't know what was decided.
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:46 (three months ago) link
xpost I don't care about these people
ok? what's your point? there are many millions of them, they will do everything they can to get him back into power again, and constructing an alternate reality is essential to making that happen
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:49 (three months ago) link
Trump obviously cares more about his narrative than the court's judgement. Otherwise he could easily shut the fuck up.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:51 (three months ago) link
I was just echoing Moodles point, facts won't stop him from screeching about how unfair it is. His lawyer knows her objections are bullshit, but she needs to help push that narrative of him being treated DEEPLY UNFAIRLY.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:52 (three months ago) link
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, January 25, 2024 12:49 PM bookmarkflaglink
what's YOUR point? I'm not interested in riding this puke-encrusted ferris wheel again, it's been 7 years
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:53 (three months ago) link
his devoted followers didn't get him the election in 2016, duped Independents and Democrats did. and they fled in 2020. the people to target in 2024 are those same Independents to make sure they don't swing back to his side. nobody should give a fuck about his damn base
(not directed at you, Jon, just Moodles's point)
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:55 (three months ago) link
sometimes defeat is defeat
I think I was pretty clear: they do this stuff to prop up Trump and give them grievances to air out to the press and public. It's not going to do a single thing to help them in this trial, but not best way to look at these tactics is from a political POV rather than a legal one.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:56 (three months ago) link
'tactics'
― Great-Tasting Burger Perceptions (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:57 (three months ago) link
xxxp
I mean, that may well be true, I'm not trying to say this is a smart tactic or is going to win them the election, just that this is what they are attempting
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:58 (three months ago) link
and they fled in 2020.
Perhaps, but...
201662,985,106 votes
202074,224,319 votes
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:59 (three months ago) link
I, and the rest of this thread, know that, and we have known that for the last 7 years. this is why I'm talking about being bored of the discussion. we know there's an ulterior motive to everything he and his lawyers do. I don't see the need to bring it up. ever since he's been out of office (and hell, during his last few months in office), almost everything he's tried has failed.
however - it should be noted that his own lawyer can suffer professional consequences as many of his other lawyers have, and she should care about not doing things that could get her sanctioned.
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2024 17:59 (three months ago) link
xpost
2016
65,853,625 votes
2020
81,282,916 votes
why are we doing this
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:01 (three months ago) link
I don't disagree with you about the repetitiveness of it all Neando, but to be clear, I was responding to an actual question posed in this thread:
Wasn't implying that this was something to swing the election or mean anything outside his insular bubble, just explaining why this tactic is even in play. I think a direct answer to a direct question itt isn't unreasonable, despite how tired you personally may be of hearing about a particular angle.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:02 (three months ago) link
This is the post I responding to:
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved)
apologies that you are bored with this discussion but time keeps marching forward
she might get sanctioned, she may not care, probably just angling for a spot in the cabinet or as a regular Fox commentator
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:02 (three months ago) link
xxpost Because you are claiming that the independents fled him in 2020. However his vote total grew by 12 million. If that's his base, it's pretty fucking huge.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:03 (three months ago) link
xps - Trump comes from a world in which image and branding are paramount. It's how he made his money after he flamed out in the casino business. Expanding his brand was his original motivation for him to run for president. He was just copy-catting Herman Cain, the Godfather's Pizza guy. These days, he knows that his massive cult and its hold on the Republican party is what keeps him out of prison. So, yes, he cares more about his narrative than the court's judgement.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:06 (three months ago) link
I refuse to believe Trump gained voters in 2020. My tinfoil hat conspiracy is that there was massive voting fraud in 2020...by the Republicans. Also based on the "always accuse your enemies of doing what you are doing" theory.
― B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:10 (three months ago) link
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/
25% of voters in 2020 didn't vote in 2016, and the majority of these 'new voters' favored Biden. the reason for the sharp increase in the number of voters, besides polarization leading to people "coming out of hibernation", was the ease of voting due to the prevalence of vote by mail being used much more than ever due to COVID. this is simple.
Biden gained 10% from Independent voters, whereas Trump got the same share he did in 2016. Trump's vote gains were almost 100% from people registered Republican - and actually, more Republican voters voted for Biden than voted for Hillary in 2016, by a small margin.
we've talked about this...at length...for years.
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:15 (three months ago) link
xxxpost
now can we focus on the trial...which is the actual thing happening today?
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, January 25, 2024 1:02 PM bookmarkflaglink
understood, and I respect where you're coming from but in this particular instance, I dont agree that it's really the strategy. the strategy is to lower the monetary damages. he wants to pay less money. yeah, there may be other ulterior motives, but that seems to be what she's getting at.
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:16 (three months ago) link
I'm guessing they are going to fail quite spectacularly with that as well
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:23 (three months ago) link
to beat a dead horse Neanderthal, getting 43% of independents in 2016 and 43% of independents in 2020 does not mean that Independents fled from you. It just means Biden was able to get many more than Hillary did. Unlikely to so this year.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:28 (three months ago) link
Why is Biden less likely to do well with independents this year?
― default damager (lukas), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:31 (three months ago) link
Because he's had historically low approval ratings for most of his term.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:32 (three months ago) link
I know I always get scolded when I say this, but that is a big part of why I'm skeptical of the blind confidence some express in Biden cleanly trouncing Trump in the general. The historically low approval ratings, the media largely refusing to cover his clear wins and him continuing to fuck up in significant ways (Gaza)... I just don't see a clean, clear win without some drastic shift in the playing field.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:37 (three months ago) link
One or more felony convictions might do that.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:38 (three months ago) link
Fingers crossed.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:40 (three months ago) link
Also, people are Feeling Better about the economy -- whatever it means (we've discussed it in the politics thread).
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:41 (three months ago) link
I think the odds are in Biden's favor, but it will be painfully close either way, and there needs to be constant aggressive pushback to the false narratives that fuel Trump's campaign.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:42 (three months ago) link
What Biden must worry about most:
(1) independents staying home (they're not going to vote for Trump) (2) a heart attack/embolism
I almost wrote "terrorist attack" but Biden's Senate career kowtowing to flag-waving will serve him in good stead.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:47 (three months ago) link
him continuing to fuck up in significant ways (Gaza)...
I feel like a huge asshole saying this, because I am obviously not on Israel's side, but I genuinely feel like "people who are not going to vote for Joe Biden because of Gaza" are...statistically insignificant. People say they're not going to vote for Biden because of Gaza, but they will; or people who were never going to vote at all say they're specifically not going to vote for Biden because of Gaza out of some combination of "maybe this will get people to pay attention to Gaza" and "look at me, I'm special"; but people Biden has actually lost because of this? You could fit them all in my apartment, and as fucked up as it is, he probably gains more votes from pro-Israel maniacs who might otherwise vote Republican.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:49 (three months ago) link
I'd say Biden's gotta worry about sentiments in Michigan, but apparently his campaign announced yesterday they're going to live in the '20 battleground states.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:50 (three months ago) link
Every election will be painfully close from here on out. We as a nation have sorted ourselves with weirdly accurate precision, so as to keep things approximately tied from a Senate and Electoral College standpoint. Liberal voters concentrate in already blue cities, diluting their power. Rural voters stay put, and suburbs/exurbs gain - but it tends to be a wash.
So we're back where we started.
Here we go round again
― Wine not? (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 25 January 2024 18:52 (three months ago) link