Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

xxp She makes him, and most of the other participants, look fairly grotesque, if not monstrous.

Carroll's lawyer's name is Roberta Kaplan, the judge is Judge Kaplan.

$5 says Trump falsely claims they're married and judge biased after trial

Nah, he'll go big and say that they're the same person somehow.

prosecuted and judged by a woke hermaphrodite

Pounded in the butt by a Woke Judge's Doppelganger

Habba: Were you concerned for safety?
Martin: On some levels. And for my daughter.
Habba: Did you tell Ms. Carroll?
Martin: Yes.
Habba: How?
Judge Kaplan: Is this a hypothetical question?
Habba: Text, or in person - that was my question
Judge Kaplan: No it wasn't

— Inner City Press (@innercitypress) January 25, 2024

hoping Kaplan closes procedures by saying "Damages are awarded in the amount of $x to the plaintiff. Habba...Nagila."

ladies and gentlemen, AN OPEN GOAL

Martin: After the NYT podcast there was interest.. There was a Harvey Weinstein sidebar... Not just E. Jean, but others as well.
Habba: Did you think Ms. Carroll was enjoying the attention?
Martin: At points.
Habba: Ms. Martin, what does narcissism mean to you?

— Inner City Press (@innercitypress) January 25, 2024

(last tweet share, I know ya'll can read the thread on your own or follow online, but that one was too rich)

this is a damages trial, yet she's trying to actually argue the merits of Trump's guilt, which has already been decided, and in fact, which has been given as a stipulation for why Trump can't talk about the merits of the case when he testifies. Habba seems to be trying to get the judge to vacate his previous decision, which.....LOL

"Habba is also a piece of shit"

She got in with Trump by grooming one of his employees who was sexually harassed by her boss and then after gaining her confidence + trust she tricked her into signing some bullshit waiver that meant she'd recieve next to nothing in damages and then she stopped talking to her. She's a hideous piece of shit.

sorry, one more...lmao

Judge Kaplan: Objection sustained.
Habba: But you have shared Ms. Carroll's private messages?
Martin: I really don't remember.
Habba: Do you see that you sent this to--
Judge Kaplan: Sustained. You are reading a document not in evidence

— Inner City Press (@innercitypress) January 25, 2024

i have no clue what the angle is w/ this questioning

it's a performance for Trump and gives them something to complain about later

ostensibly it's to lower the damages by suggesting that Carroll is not really in emotional distress and is milking this for attention, but I doubt it worked.

Habba is objecting to every statement Carroll makes in cross now.

xp - otm, this way he can shriek later about how the CROOKED and CORRUPT judge LOSER in this RIGGED WITCH HUNT wouldn't allow his lawyers to present a defense, and the rubes will believe him

thing is though the guilt has already been decided, this is degrees of damages, so that ship already sailed

yes, but they have plenty of extreme ignorant and gullible people ready to believe whatever they say

she has no joke objected to every statement Carroll's attorney has made, all have been overruled except one that was sidebarred and I don't know what was decided.

xpost I don't care about these people

ok? what's your point? there are many millions of them, they will do everything they can to get him back into power again, and constructing an alternate reality is essential to making that happen

Trump obviously cares more about his narrative than the court's judgement. Otherwise he could easily shut the fuck up.

thing is though the guilt has already been decided, this is degrees of damages, so that ship already sailed

I was just echoing Moodles point, facts won't stop him from screeching about how unfair it is. His lawyer knows her objections are bullshit, but she needs to help push that narrative of him being treated DEEPLY UNFAIRLY.

ok? what's your point? there are many millions of them, they will do everything they can to get him back into power again, and constructing an alternate reality is essential to making that happen

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, January 25, 2024 12:49 PM bookmarkflaglink

what's YOUR point? I'm not interested in riding this puke-encrusted ferris wheel again, it's been 7 years

his devoted followers didn't get him the election in 2016, duped Independents and Democrats did. and they fled in 2020. the people to target in 2024 are those same Independents to make sure they don't swing back to his side. nobody should give a fuck about his damn base

(not directed at you, Jon, just Moodles's point)

sometimes defeat is defeat

I think I was pretty clear: they do this stuff to prop up Trump and give them grievances to air out to the press and public. It's not going to do a single thing to help them in this trial, but not best way to look at these tactics is from a political POV rather than a legal one.

'tactics'

xxxp

I mean, that may well be true, I'm not trying to say this is a smart tactic or is going to win them the election, just that this is what they are attempting

and they fled in 2020.

Perhaps, but...

2016
62,985,106 votes

2020
74,224,319 votes

I, and the rest of this thread, know that, and we have known that for the last 7 years. this is why I'm talking about being bored of the discussion. we know there's an ulterior motive to everything he and his lawyers do. I don't see the need to bring it up. ever since he's been out of office (and hell, during his last few months in office), almost everything he's tried has failed.

however - it should be noted that his own lawyer can suffer professional consequences as many of his other lawyers have, and she should care about not doing things that could get her sanctioned.

xpost

2016

65,853,625 votes

2020

81,282,916 votes

why are we doing this

I don't disagree with you about the repetitiveness of it all Neando, but to be clear, I was responding to an actual question posed in this thread:

i have no clue what the angle is w/ this questioning

Wasn't implying that this was something to swing the election or mean anything outside his insular bubble, just explaining why this tactic is even in play. I think a direct answer to a direct question itt isn't unreasonable, despite how tired you personally may be of hearing about a particular angle.

This is the post I responding to:

i have no clue what the angle is w/ this questioning

― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved)

apologies that you are bored with this discussion but time keeps marching forward

she might get sanctioned, she may not care, probably just angling for a spot in the cabinet or as a regular Fox commentator

xxpost Because you are claiming that the independents fled him in 2020. However his vote total grew by 12 million. If that's his base, it's pretty fucking huge.

xps - Trump comes from a world in which image and branding are paramount. It's how he made his money after he flamed out in the casino business. Expanding his brand was his original motivation for him to run for president. He was just copy-catting Herman Cain, the Godfather's Pizza guy. These days, he knows that his massive cult and its hold on the Republican party is what keeps him out of prison. So, yes, he cares more about his narrative than the court's judgement.

I refuse to believe Trump gained voters in 2020. My tinfoil hat conspiracy is that there was massive voting fraud in 2020...by the Republicans. Also based on the "always accuse your enemies of doing what you are doing" theory.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

25% of voters in 2020 didn't vote in 2016, and the majority of these 'new voters' favored Biden. the reason for the sharp increase in the number of voters, besides polarization leading to people "coming out of hibernation", was the ease of voting due to the prevalence of vote by mail being used much more than ever due to COVID. this is simple.

Biden gained 10% from Independent voters, whereas Trump got the same share he did in 2016. Trump's vote gains were almost 100% from people registered Republican - and actually, more Republican voters voted for Biden than voted for Hillary in 2016, by a small margin.

we've talked about this...at length...for years.

xxxpost

now can we focus on the trial...which is the actual thing happening today?

Wasn't implying that this was something to swing the election or mean anything outside his insular bubble, just explaining why this tactic is even in play. I think a direct answer to a direct question itt isn't unreasonable, despite how tired you personally may be of hearing about a particular angle.

― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, January 25, 2024 1:02 PM bookmarkflaglink

understood, and I respect where you're coming from but in this particular instance, I dont agree that it's really the strategy. the strategy is to lower the monetary damages. he wants to pay less money. yeah, there may be other ulterior motives, but that seems to be what she's getting at.

I'm guessing they are going to fail quite spectacularly with that as well

to beat a dead horse Neanderthal, getting 43% of independents in 2016 and 43% of independents in 2020 does not mean that Independents fled from you. It just means Biden was able to get many more than Hillary did. Unlikely to so this year.

Why is Biden less likely to do well with independents this year?

Because he's had historically low approval ratings for most of his term.

I know I always get scolded when I say this, but that is a big part of why I'm skeptical of the blind confidence some express in Biden cleanly trouncing Trump in the general. The historically low approval ratings, the media largely refusing to cover his clear wins and him continuing to fuck up in significant ways (Gaza)... I just don't see a clean, clear win without some drastic shift in the playing field.

One or more felony convictions might do that.

Fingers crossed.

Also, people are Feeling Better about the economy -- whatever it means (we've discussed it in the politics thread).

I think the odds are in Biden's favor, but it will be painfully close either way, and there needs to be constant aggressive pushback to the false narratives that fuel Trump's campaign.