Scorsese and DiCaprio back together again with 'Killers of the Flower Moon'.

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I think that happens a lot with directors when the stakes feel lower - one of Scorsese's most enjoyable works over the past 20 years is a Hitchcock tribute he did for a commercial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjQrDn1IR0Q

One major element of Wolf of Wall Street is the visual subjectivity, which reflects how these characters have a warped view of life. It's partly what makes the last show so powerful and damning for me but Scorsese also has a lot of fun with that concept via the quaaludes gag.

Also to be clear, when I say "professional," I don't mean phoning it in - he never does that. He's always committed to doing his best, even when he has doubts - it's always going to look like a Scorsese picture. But The Departed does feel a bit cold to me. Funny, entertaining, but not a whole lot underneath the surface.

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 January 2024 18:38 (four months ago) link

RE: "I think that happens a lot with directors when the stakes feel lower," I mean relax and have more fun.

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 January 2024 18:39 (four months ago) link

* the last shot

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 January 2024 18:39 (four months ago) link

if you watch Infernal Affairs, it doesn't feel like they were trying to transform the material so much as streamline it and adapt it to a Boston setting with Hollywood movie stars.

He didn't streamline it tho, he made it baggier — added 50 minutes and a whole layer of (tedious imo) Catholic framing to it.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 January 2024 18:49 (four months ago) link

Yeah, if his last couple films are any indication, his movies can often use a bit more streamlining (imo). And coincidence or no, some of my least favorite of his films are the ones that cost the most. I think I like him best when he's ambitious and scrappy and not self-consciously over-inflated.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2024 19:20 (four months ago) link

ok which one of you replaced his bio with this on letterboxd

https://i.imgur.com/KzFcyv2.png

ciderpress, Thursday, 4 January 2024 19:32 (four months ago) link

He didn't streamline it tho, he made it baggier — added 50 minutes and a whole layer of (tedious imo) Catholic framing to it.

Hah, yes he did! It's been too long since I saw either. But the Catholic framing, do you mean the sense of guilt? I remember that being in Infernal Affairs as well though it wasn't rooted in Catholicism. (Regardless, that part never made a strong impression either.)

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 January 2024 19:44 (four months ago) link

Yeah, it was there in the original but rooted in personal loyalties. But Scorsese can't help letting Catholicism run all over everything (explicitly or otherwise).

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 January 2024 19:49 (four months ago) link

It made logical sense when they transplanted the film to Boston - it's almost become a cliché at this point, so many Boston-based dramas I've seen over the past 20 years work the Catholic presence, whether it's Mystic River or (for obvious reasons) Spotlight.

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 January 2024 19:53 (four months ago) link

I don't mind it. I like when artists' religion and politics bleed all over the place.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 January 2024 20:00 (four months ago) link

I mean, why else watch Scorsese? If I want amoral gangster shit I can watch a Warner Bros pic or Brian De Palma.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 January 2024 20:00 (four months ago) link

Very true. Honestly, it's hard to imagine his work without it, but if you somehow wrote that out of the scripts for, say, Mean Streets or Raging Bull, I don't think he'd ever make those films and I'm not sure there would be any real merit to them. Jake LaMotta truly does become nothing more than a cockroach, which is what the reluctant execs at UA initially believed when they were pitched the film.

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 January 2024 20:09 (four months ago) link

Actually, LaMotta is a cockroach. The Age of Innocence, Silence, Killers of the Flower Moon >>>>>> Raging Bull.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 January 2024 20:10 (four months ago) link

LOL, we'll have to disagree, but I always thought that was Scorsese's best film because of what he finds in that story.

And also to add what I posted before, I say that as an agnostic - what makes Scorsese (or Leo McCarey or Paul Schrader among others for that matter) so compelling is a lot of what they explore through their faith is universal. The struggles their characters go through feel very honest, something anyone can recognize or experience.

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 January 2024 20:13 (four months ago) link

Sure, the "Catholic stuff" is part of what makes his great stuff great. But in what should have been a trifle like The Departed, to me it felt like padding, like he had to find a way to make the story feel important enough for him or something.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 January 2024 20:16 (four months ago) link

(I don't like The Departed anyway, if it's not clear. It cracks me up that it was his Oscar film.)

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 January 2024 20:17 (four months ago) link

Yeah, far from my favorite, but it was such a big success that it made Hugo possible, which again is one of my favorites from recent years. I think he said it allowed him to pass on some projects he would've considered before as well.

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 January 2024 20:25 (four months ago) link

Hugo is the only Scorsese I havent watched!

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Thursday, 4 January 2024 20:51 (four months ago) link

I watched Hugo. It felt like Scorsese wanted very badly to make a magical kid's movie tapping into our sense of innocent wonder and he just didn't have the chops for it. It's way too heavy to get airborne.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 4 January 2024 21:00 (four months ago) link

Innocent wonder is like a Spielberg fantasy, I never got the impression Hugo was interested in those sort of illusions. The heart of it is about a very bitter and broken man, and the war played a huge role in that. It's still uplifting to me because of the way they find their way out of despair. I don't doubt that's heavy, but that's pretty much why it left a lasting impression.

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 January 2024 21:17 (four months ago) link

one month passes...
one month passes...

Lily Gladstone honored by the Blackfeet tribe in Montana:

Today the Blackfeet Nation celebrated Lily Gladstone Day. Lily made history as the first Indigenous person to be nominated for an Academy Award and to win a Golden Globe and Screen Actors Guild award for Best Actress in “Killers of the Flower Moon.” Her achievements are a beacon… pic.twitter.com/fwJCqH2U76

— Ryan Busse (@ryandbusse) March 26, 2024

The poster, Ryan Busse, is running for governor against Greg "human garbage" Gianforte this year.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 22:37 (one month ago) link


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