I like her Rev but she is dull as dishwater personality-wise
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:03 (sixteen years ago) link
1st album is a classic tho
plus, anything is better than fucking R&B gone crunk.
also OFFtm
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:04 (sixteen years ago) link
name them.
so i can DL them all.
the baseline mixes of j holidays bed and rihannas plz dont stop the music are good too.
"I like her Rev but she is dull as dishwater personality-wise"
bang on.
1st album was shit.
― titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:04 (sixteen years ago) link
name them was in ref to "there have been like 20 r&b singles with house beats this year"
Taio Cruz!
― danzig, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:06 (sixteen years ago) link
who gives a fuck about a singer's "personality", what is this, tiger beat?
― banriquit, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:06 (sixteen years ago) link
BW: Whe was dull personality-wise when she first came out. (Her first album is great, but I do like her newest one better.) Now she is absolutely thrilling to hear. This is only taking her on-record persona into account, though. She still seems kind of boring off-record.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:07 (sixteen years ago) link
danity kane - damaged janet jackson - rock with u jayms madison - room service janet jackson - feedback wynter gordon - surveillance money - future ne-yo - closer day 26 - got me goin
there are others I can't remember at the mo, but it's totally the new trend since "way i are"
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:08 (sixteen years ago) link
id never use 'thrilling' to describe estelle. she has good songs (given to/written for her) but as a vocalist shes quite unexciting.
― titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link
I was talking about Amerie.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link
oh. well there is something oddly distinct about estelle regardless. i kind of like that she cant sing that well, although live its pretty obvious her singers are doing a lot of the hard lifting.
― titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link
you heard the house mix of that 'im fine' song by mary j? No!! whose remix is it??
I'm more into the "R&B singles with house beats" than I am most house remixes...my thing is more to get people dancing to house when they don't realize it..."I hear Kanye's voice!! let's dance."
i think only a house-friendly crowd will always respond to remixes no matter how popular the original may be...I learned that with the bob sinclar remix of "please don't stop the music" (very unnecessary)
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost 1st album was totally not shit! " Float," " Why Do We Fall In Love," " All I Have", "I Just Died," " Talkin To Me"... great album.
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link
and yeah people care about personality... anyway I just brought it up to explain why Amerie doesn't sell.
Kelis is a different story, I agree she has been mismanaged but she does sell for the most part and she has a semi-hit everytime she comes out.
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link
good list, don't forget rihanna, britney's whole album, "feedback" by janet (at least in the same vein as way i are)
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link
"I hear Kanye's voice!! let's dance."
o_O if anyone has ever actually thought/said this
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link
ameries 1st album>>>>the more recent ones.
rihannas PDSTM is the best R&B single of 08 IMO.
my reaction to kanye now is more like ""I hear Kanye's voice!! im a bit sick of this guy now."
― titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
great work on shitting up the thread, cheers.
― banriquit, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
xp woops re "feedback"
also, "Take Control" by Amerie is the jam of all jams, fwiw
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
n/p
― titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean this is all vintage material, but totally irrelevant.
― banriquit, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
xp to Bmore: I don't think the point is Kanye's voice so much as its signifier of a hiphop/r&b context rather than a dahnce context.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link
fwiw, I love all of Amerie's albums, just some moreso than others
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm hoping Lil Jon takes this up a la "The Anthem" and just goes head first into a house/crunk movement
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link
seriously what's better than "The Anthem" answer nothing
stfu
― banriquit, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
sorry, i love music
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link
there are sort of two trends going on right now in r&B - snap-type stuff (e.g. "touch my body"), and totally synthed-out, house/trance-type stuff (" love in this club," " killa" , anything produced by the runners & ryan leslie, all the songs I mentioned upthread..)
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
As much as I love Pitbull, it kinda saddens me to see "The Anthem" doing better than "Calabria 2007" (which, soz Preview, is much better) on the US charts.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
clusterfuck thread about r&b music>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>clusterfuck thread about estelle's race
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:22 (sixteen years ago) link
i didn't believe my brother the other night when he told me that that pitbull joint isn't a mashup
uh it's not about her race.
xpost
great post
― banriquit, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:23 (sixteen years ago) link
both are pretty good imo but i like 'calabria' better
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:23 (sixteen years ago) link
It seems that, "The Way I Are" aside, there's actually kind of a weird divide between the 4x4-beat house stuff and trance-synth stuff, which seems to go more for a slow, opulent, crunk-based half-beat feel.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Lil Jon's "verse" on "The Anthem" is like the greatest most hilariously amazing thing I've ever heard in my life. It's glorious.
and yeah "Calabria" blah blah but you're post above about r&pop signifiers is so OTM for this conversation i almost want to quote you against yourself
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:25 (sixteen years ago) link
I guess "Low" might be a faster exception, but the beat is still crunk-based, rather than house-based. xp to myself
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh, and add Charlie Wilson's "Let It Go" to the list of 4x4 r&b singles.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah you're probably right, "love in this club" is more crunk than house
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link
gap band charlie wilson? lol
yea the two styles have different points of influence or whatever, I think the new usher, all that new synthy shit is taking its cues from euro trance and slowing it way down, like borrowing the sound of the synths and even sampling them (wiz khalifa) but the other side is more of an early 80s dance/pop/r&b influence
but yeah I totally agree that there are two parallel trends that might not really have much to do with each other
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link
i think the 4x4 angle is getting a little overplayed, esp. as far as singles go-- i mean what are the biggest r&b songs on the radio right now? "with you", "bleeding love", "like you'll never see me again", "no air"? none of these are really breaking any ground
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:30 (sixteen years ago) link
xxp: that's him, I posted it in rolling r&b if you want to hear. It's alright, not great.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:30 (sixteen years ago) link
the biggest are "i remember," "falsetto," "sexy can i","love in the club" and "like you'll never see me"
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link
love in this club and like that new mario song don't seem that out of the ordinary or that much like crunk to me-- just good r&bish songs but nothing worthy of trendwatching as far as polow goes
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link
"falsetto" and "love in this club" being the on-trend ones, "like you'll never see me again" and "i remember" = pretty standard ballads.
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
sarge: Well, of course. There are always going to be vanilla ballads on r&b radio, but that's not really a trend so much as a fact of life.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
What's "I Remember"?
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
do any of the ones just mentioned fit into the "Please don't stop the music" 4x4 trend? isn't "with you" like chris brown's country song ???
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link