'splain this one to me: Renegade Soundwave

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"Screwin' Blow for Jesus"

That's an early Flaming Lips song, now, Ned. Give us a break.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Cooking Sects is fast and effective, you miss out you might feel neglected...

Todd, I used to have the CD-single w/ Prob a Rob 12 gauge but gave it to someone because, you know, i had the vinyl...

But let's definately talk mp3 trading, get it all together.

I always liked much of Howyoudoin, though I hated the title song. Disc 1 of my personal RSW 2 CD set contains Liquid Up, John Holmes, Positive ID, Blast "Em Out and Brixton. All GREAT pop songs. It was the remix album where I thought they made their first really bad move. It has moments, but while In Dub is just totally unique, Next Chapter of Dub just sounded like then contemporary trip-hop or whatever.

A highpoint of my life was sitting in a middle-eastern resteraunt and hearing the song that John Holmes samples.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah...Renegade Soundwave (7" mix) is on the CD as well. That's the one where the guitar drops out for a bit, which it doesn't on the CD version. It's a HUGE difference!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Next Chapter of Dub just sounded like then contemporary trip-hop or whatever

Except for "Positive Mindscape" which is its saving grace.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link

and since you're all asking, disc 1 is more song oriented and disc 2 is more mix/club oriented. The only dissapointment is I don't have Space Gladiator Dub or any of the Women Respond to Bass remixes on my computer, and if I did, they wouldn't fit. Perhaps I'd swap one of the Women Respond remixes for the original. Also, only using the orig. versions of Ozone Breakdown:

Disc 1:

Renegade Soundwave 7" mix
Blue Eyed Boy
Lucky Luke
On TV
Kray Twins
Liquid Up
Probably a Robbery
Traitor
Biting My Nails (soundclash version)
Space Gladiator
Murder Music
Pocket Porn
Cocaine Sex
John Holmes
Positive ID
Blast 'Em Out
Brixton
Can't Get Used to Losing You


Disc 2:

Ozone Breakdown
The Phantom
Biting My Nails (Bass Numb Chapter)
Thunder II
Deadly
Funky Dropout
Bacteria
Pocket Porn Dub
Cocaine Sex (Sub-Aqua Overdrive)
Black Eye Boy
Mash-Up
Women Respond to Bass
Probably a Robbery (12 Gauge Turbo)
The Phantom (In Dub version, version 90 or whatever it's called)
Manphibian
Transition

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

It's very suspicious that I haven't posted on this thread.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I have that one "The Phantom" 10" remix from 1998 or so that I can digitize.

I also have the Women Respond To Bass 12". there are four tracks on that total. And I have Space Gladiator Dub. But I think Dan has this on vinyl, but just hasn't digitized it yet.

I think the major project is to get all the RSW remixes of other bands onto one CD (or 2 if needed.)

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Wanna make a list?

1.Depeche Mode
2.Liason Dangereuses

...

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

3.Shamen

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link

there's GOT to be a web page out there dedicated to outside RSW remixes... right? please?

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

PLZ PLZ SOMEONE COMPILE ALL THESE

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 13 May 2005 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I have Women Respond to Bass on 12", just not digitized. The giant pink elephant in the middle of the room here is the totally wicked RSW/Todd Terry mash-up that is known as The Phantom (Turntable Scratch Mix). Interestingly, this is one of the easiest tracks to find online, but only in the version that appears mixed into the Ken Ishii X-Mix DJ mix, thus it's got some other song at the beginning and end and is at the wrongs speed. I'll digitise my copy, but I swear it's one of those recors that sounds like crap due to over-playing.

Mr. Hutlock from above made me a RSW mix tape during college including the Depeche Mode remix, that's easy to download. I have the Liason Dangereuses remix on vinyl. I also have the track they sorta did for the Amorres Perros soundtrack. They did at least 2 Pop Will Eat Itself remixes, neither of which I have.

Looking at Discogs...I'd like to hear the Sabres mix of Brixton.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 13 May 2005 06:18 (eighteen years ago) link

oh hey tracer hand...I see you made it back safely from the New Order after-party!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 13 May 2005 06:19 (eighteen years ago) link

hey hutlock, i saw that tour (mute tour with derrick may & rsw) in pittsburgh (must have been not a day or two before/after you did) and i was suitably blown away, first by mr may and second by rsw. i don't remember all that much besides getting to meet May, buying 808 State's "Ex.El" on the way to the club and being mesmerized by the show, but your review was awesome. such a memory!
i do remember that in between may & rsw they showed a bunch of videos of current Mute artists and i was totally thrilled to see an inspiral carpets video for the first time. ;) nice one!

heywood jablomi (heywood), Friday, 13 May 2005 07:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure there's only one PWEI mix, but I can definitely contribute it if someone does want to get a best-of/remix thingy together

Dan you could use the beginning and end from your tired record to replace the Ken Ishii one? better than nothing...?

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 13 May 2005 10:59 (eighteen years ago) link

i always thought rsw never put their heart into any remixes they did. the los ninos one in particular is really weak.

i'll rip the first ever rsw single before they changed their name and post a link to it later.

i will also dig out the 'turntable scratch mix' too.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 13 May 2005 11:11 (eighteen years ago) link

here is the first rsw single. it's from '86 and is called 'underneath the arches'. at this point they were called the jackal but mute heard it, were blown away and snapped them up and they changed the name. it sounds off the time but i still really love it. the stuttered sampling of 'oi mate!' is plain stoopid and the idea of the bombastic intro is something they would also use to great effect of 'kray twins'. great percussion too.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 13 May 2005 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link

wow. i love all that 80's scratch effects and big drums .. very ON-U Soundsystem .. (actually VERY in parts)

never heard this before .. thanks muchly.

m.e

mark e (mark e), Friday, 13 May 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

it is indeed very on u sound. i even remember gary clail playing it at an on u soundsystem gig and totally losing it.

'tackhead in the area!'

stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 13 May 2005 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan, if you played it as much as I think you have, I can volunteer to digitize it.. that is the Phantom (turntable scratch) mix.

donut debonair (donut), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, The Jackal, had no idea about that! I only learned about all the Rema Rema/Wolfgang Press connections a year or so ago.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't forget that Marco Pirroni was in Rema Rema too. He went on to join a friend in some band.. Adam something...

donut debonair (donut), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got the Sabres mix of Brixton on CD... damn good, but not much of the regular tune left to it unfortunately. No vocals that I can recall. There are also a shedload of Positive ID/Positive Mindscape remixes, some of which are good and some of which aren't that are on CD only, I think -- the 12" only had a couple but they released two CDs worth.

Hutlock (Hutlock), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Also as far as remixes of others:

I know there is an RSW remix of PWEI's "Touched By The Hand Of Cicciolina" but I've never heard it -- seen it on eBay and got outbid a while back.

Also, far easier to find is a remix of Nitzer Ebb's "Lightning Man." I think you might still be able to buy that direct from Mute UK online even. And I just checked and a LOT of the old RSW singles are still in print from them too -- on vinyl and CD -- including the Women Respond To Bass joint! Wahoo!!!

Hutlock (Hutlock), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

And there is another PWEI mix, from their later days:

"Underbelly" (Renegade Soundwave Blackout Mix)

which is on the Two Fingers My Friends Remixes album. Again, never heard it...

Hutlock (Hutlock), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 15:17 (eighteen years ago) link

don't know where it's from, but I downloaded a Renegade Soundwave remix of Gary Numan's Are Friend's Electric? Haven't decided if it's brilliant or useless yet.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

RSW vs PWEI remix of Cicciolina is pretty boring to be honest. if anyone has a desire .. then get in touch.

same goes for that underbelly remix .. i may have that somewhere ... have no recollection of if its a good un .. as that album is chocka with good/bad mixes (mostly good though)

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 19 May 2005 06:40 (eighteen years ago) link

ah I forgot about the Cicciolina remix! it's v v minimal and sounds like a loop of two bars from a track from Joe Strummer's score for Walker, with the hum of a switched-off television in the background. it is TOTALLY ACE ...er though mark e's viewpoint is one that is easy to understand.

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 19 May 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I find their remixes to be like that sometime -- vv minimal that is. Check the Shamen Lightspan mix, same deal. Must have been a phase they were going through or something, but I agree, it is totally amazing. Check their own Biting My Nails remixes from around that time too -- Bassnumb Chapter and Sound System Plays A Renegade Tune. Those mixes are absolutely KILLERS.

Hutlock (Hutlock), Thursday, 19 May 2005 13:50 (eighteen years ago) link


here's a old/new RSW mix i had completely forgotten about :

http://ireallylovemusic.blogspot.com

i had forgotten they remixed bassomatics classic 'fascinating rhythm'.

wasn't until i dug the 'ease on by' ep out of the archive i realised.

so for the sake of this thread i have added it to the internet archive.

m.e

mark e (mark e), Monday, 23 May 2005 06:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Just downloaded the Cicciolina remix, I love it. It's basically just a drum beat with the swirling synth string sound from the Women Respond to Bass remixes. Doesn't really go anywhere, but sounds nice just sitting there. Also dl'd the other PWEI mix, Underbelly. It's way too downtempo and trip-hoppy for my taste.

re: Bassomatic, a reminder that William Orbit's friend and often collaborator Rico Conning worked with Renegade Soundwave and other likeminded bands at the time. Prior to that he was in the post-punk band the Lines, who I hope to soon be reissuing.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 23 May 2005 13:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Is that Bassomatic RSW mix on the Ease On By EPs then? I've got them somewhere in the archives on 12" (two of them, one blue one green?) but didn't remember them remixing anything there...

Danny -- feel free to send me the Cicciolina remix! I am dying to hear it now!

Hutlock (Hutlock), Monday, 23 May 2005 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

hutlock. yes.

the RSW mix is indeed on the 'ease on by' cd ep .. not sure if its on the vinyl versions ..

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 06:19 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
hello again!

so I had a moment at work and was researching Wide Boy Awake, Kevin Mooney from Adam and the Ant's eclectic 3 or so ep's and that was it early/mid 80s act who gave us the suprise new wave dance classic Slang Teacher. While talking about the old punk days connections were made to fellow Ant Marco Pirronni and his prior band Rema Rema, which of course featured Gary from Renegade Soundwave(as well as 2 later Wolfgang Press).

I then see on the 4ad page that they put out a limited edition CD of the awesome Rema Rema 12" with notes by Kevin Mooney.

Then catching up with everyone, Mooney is working with Gary Ainsworth in a band called Lavender Pill Mob, which brought me to these links:

http://www.lecoqmusique.co.uk/

as well as a band called Mike's Bikes featuring Adam Ant. I suppose this query could be posted on an Adam Ant thread as well, but I'll take any chance to revive a Renegade Soundwave thread.

So what's this all about? This stuff any good? They also refer to him as Gary Ainsworth, so I'm confused.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 22 August 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

and what about Mass?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 22 August 2005 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

and how did Darren Le Coq get involved?

(haha, I think I posted the same links on a *doodly doodly* Adam Ant thread! So all bases covered now. Good job, Dan. :) )

donut gon' nut (donut), Monday, 22 August 2005 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link

so you haven't heard any of this either?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 22 August 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm damned intrigued from the sound of it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm bumping this because somebody out there must've heard Lavender Pill Mob!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I might just have to order this and found out.

donut gon' nut (donut), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

"I'd like to fuck them out."

His shitty rapping actually helps this line, makes it more unexpected. "Soundclash" is indeed v good.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

anyone heard Mikes Bikes yet ? i may be getting a chance soon ..

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 09:08 (eighteen years ago) link

is the rsw gary asquith the same one that was in mutabor with half of malaria! ?

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 10:01 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
wasn't familiar with it but it seems likely.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Heh. I tried to get my girlfriend into RSW, since she likes things that I think are similar (dance stuff from the '80s), but she looked at me like I was an enfeebled child with a mouthful of crayons.
The two disc '87-95 seems to lean hard on the "turbo" house mixes, which I don't like nearly as much as the dubbier stuff.
Oddly enough, both these guys and Wolfgang Press were mid-'90s CMJ darlings that were wildly misrepresented by their sampler cuts...

js (honestengine), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Soundclash still the best record ever.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I wish I still had my copy of "Thunder II". I can't remember which b-side it was, but one of them was extreme dubby fantasticness.

FYI: I was thinking of "Manphibian" here

I lettered in Sam and Carl (HI DERE), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Manphibian and Mash-Up are both awesome. A great ep.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link

recently read the Murder Music was originally a Rema Rema song. (Or Mass?) Makes sense. I would kill to hear an original recording of it if there ever was one.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

I am tempted to nominate these guys in the hip-hop poll

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link


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