Kanye West

idk I could have said Wolves In The Throne Room or something else. That's what I thought of.

Can't believe we had to interrogate Kanye's "true intentions" when he just did a show in a KKK hood.

to be fair he did do the black kkk hood shit a decade ago too, just it was seen as 'kanye being a provocative dumbass trying to make a very dumb statement' and not 'yet more nazi shit'

If you don't assume that any given black metal act is Nazi Until Proven Otherwise, you haven't been paying attention the last, oh, 30 years.

for another thread but while NSBM is certainly a terrible thing, I believe it's a marginal aspect of the current, thriving black metal scene

that's accurate, the "nazi til proven otherwise" bit is really kinda silly -- anti-fascist black metal bands outnumber nazi ones among active bands by a healthy margin, there's like tons of them, in addition to the countless "we're just trying to make black metal we don't have anything to do with this other shit" bands. black metal is also pretty played out afaic and most of the action for the last decade has been in death metal which has its share of edgelords but hasn't historically had this radicalization pipeline that black metal's had. anyway none of this matters at all because Kanye has made his position quite clear & there's no reason to think he's ref'ing anything other than Burzum, who've always been the BM band du jour for people outside of that subculture, they're the band on the Gummo soundtrack, they're beloved of nazi-sympathetic edgelords around the world.

nazi-sympathetic edgelords of the woooorrrld
unite and take ovverrr

irl lol

Extra apt lol given the person being parodied

for another thread but while NSBM is certainly a terrible thing, I believe it's a marginal aspect of the current, thriving black metal scene

that's accurate, the "nazi til proven otherwise" bit is really kinda silly

this is what i was saying. thank you. it's just as easy to do a google search and learn that it's not 1993 anymore and there are plenty of non-hateful blackmetal musicians.

Stop fucking posting

no

let's just assume the nazi rapper is giving a hat tip to the nazi metaller instead of just being really into german romanticism but metal aesthetics in general still come off as fashy to a lot of people (even when there aren't gratuitous iron crosses and lightning bolts all over the place) and I'm not sure how many non-nazi metalheads actually get this

that's a side thing because nothing should be debatable about that cover (but I'm sure he loves provoking debate about it anyway)

Kanye likes collecting NSBM memorabilia to remind himself how evil Varg is.

Far too often, you will strike nazi gold. If the band itself is not NS in some way, one of its members will have a NS side project, or they'll be on a label with NS affiliations...it's always fucking something.

dude, sure, we can 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon most anyone in metal/industrial/noise to someone in said genres or adjacent genres who is wretched and horrible. I have seen some serious attempts to "connect the dots" that are really a stretch.

That said, it's a very different dynamic with Kanye ...

Burzum, who've always been the BM band du jour for people outside of that subculture, they're the band on the Gummo soundtrack, they're beloved of nazi-sympathetic edgelords around the world.

wait really? I always thought Mayhem and/or Immortal were at least equally "du jour" ... also less-nazi, which definitely has a strong appeal to many people!

at one time the nazism was a selling point for hipsters who were too addled by irony or obama to take anything seriously - burzum was definitely the first BM I heard of

those other bands are only *slightly* less nazi afaict

Kanye likes collecting NSBM memorabilia to remind himself how evil Bowser is

those other bands are only *slightly* less nazi afaict

mayhem, sure. but is there really anything sketchy about immortal?

genuinely asking bc i always liked how they didnt go there, kinda like how they actually have riffs, unlike varg and nsbm more broadly

idk they're degrees of separation from varg like everyone from that generation and I raise my eyebrows at all the cold wind norsemen rising shit and gratuitous use of the word "holocaust"

but I've proven incapable of distinguishing irony and wilful edginess from fascist ideology in that genre, I'm not sure they can be separated since even non-nazi bands that play around with this shit help normalise it and give the fascists cover

fair enough. I would never really blame anyone for not bothering with any of it tbh.

There is certainly a sonic connection between Memphis rap, horrorcore, etc and NSBM— that someone like this guy would take those connections to their logical conclusions isn’t surprising , especially cuz he’s a total antisemite.

for what's its worth Kanye didn't produce "Pussy Print" but go off

Doing the whole Memphis rap/NSBM/RYM incel music route in *2023* is like the least-forward thinking artistic move Kanye's done in like the last 20 years

Is there a cover of National Front Disco?

xp I am not sure he is even doing that, Whiney. The single is just offensive ranting over a mediocre trap beat. He is drawing on Burzum for the Nazi associations alone.

If he wanted to make a blackgaze record that would be cool.... ten years ago. Sort of picking up where Runaway left off, a more abstract, atmsopheric kind of album.

I didn’t listen to the song, I just meant visually

Whiney just never likes to miss a chance to link RYMers with Nazis