defend the indefensible: Hall and Oates

neither has the other on their kiss list?

or... hmm

anyway obviously the headline should read Daryl Hall Gets Restraining Order Against John Oates in Daryl Hall & John Oates Legal Battle

We will soon find out which one of them is defending the indefensible.

he can't go for that

John Oates: "Daryl left me feeling like an Abandoned Luncheonette"

They’re now War Babies …sorry

i guess everybody isn't high on consolation

sorry, charlie, for the deposition

You can kind of follow the dynamic through song titles:

"They Needed Each Other"
"Can't Stop the Music (He Played It Much Too Long)"
"Better Watch Your Back"
"You Know It Doesn't Matter Anymore"
"Grounds For Separation"
"Back Together Again"
"Bigger Than Both Of Us"
"Room to Breathe"
"You'll Never Learn"
"You Must Be Good For Something"
"I Don't Wanna Lose You"
"Wait For Me"
"Who Said the World Was Fair"
"The Farther Away I Am"
"Don't Leave Me Alone With Her"
"How Does It Feel To Be Back?"
"Every Time You Go Away"
"Tell Me What You Want"
"I Can't Go For That"
"Mano a Mano"
"Go Solo"
"You're Out of Touch"
"Going Through the Motions"
"I Wasn't Born Yesterday"
"What's Going to Happen to Us?"
"Starting All Over Again"
"Sometimes a Mind Changes"
"I Ain't Gonna Take it This Time"
"War of Words"

Personally I think this lawsuit has gone too far, cause you know it don't matter anyway.

On a serious note: Hall is on record explaining who did what on their biggest singles (i.e. the "Out of Touch" chorus), dunno when Oates let the toothpaste out of Hall's tube.

I fear I manifested this into being by thinking the phrase "Hall versus Oates" too many times. I'm sorry, everyone.

Oates once called himself the world's most overpaid backup singer. I don't think that's fair; I know he contributed a lot.

But come on, man. He's had so much success that even his facial hair is famous (there's a comic book about it). He'll be fine.

My introduction to Hall & Oates was a Late Night with Conan O'Brien sketch (jump to 1:53 for the relevant part) and the "I'm Oates" SNL sketch that I caught later on as a re-run. I didn't listen to Hall & Oates at all until years later, but I still innocently assumed that the idea of Oates contributing little was a blatant distortion for the purposes of a joke. So I was surprised in 2007 (probably the peak year of their revival and re-evaulation) when I saw Hall's blunt assessment in this Pitchfork interview:

We are not an equal duo, and never have been. I'm 90% and he's 10%, and that's the way it is. And he'd say the same thing.

To be fair, he frames it in more flattering terms, praising Oates for what he actually does do, but there's no getting around the fact that "my partner is 10%" sounds pretty shitty.

You have to wonder how Hall's career would have gone if he'd been solo from the start. Probably not as successfully!

At minimum he needs a harmony singer, and Oates's guitar parts are pretty good. Maybe he would've joined up with Fripp for a longer stint, even singing for the '80s King Crimson?

The duet with Elvis Costello in Goodbye Cruel World - Costello's worst album by his own admission was not a bright spot for Hall.

Generally I think he chose the right partner. Their success was global and massive.

Some of the Darryl's house collaborations were cute and fun, but that was just a victory lap.

He's blessed with a voice like Todd Rundgren, only purer, and he has to act like a colossal dick. What a world.

a better voice than Rundgren imo, and he can't project warmth or empathy. He's at his best when writing or singing about being a colossal dick.

As a persona, that's great (in moderation), but why carry that over into real life? Especially when you've enjoyed such massive success.

Deep insecurity, maybe.

A deadbeat dad too apparently.

From Philly too

Colossal dick? I dunno, he seems pretty small in the "Out of Touch" video

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQAVA_uZOf0ndzwJf8XXI9lNg7tawa4HGHIoQ&usqp=CAU

maybe hanging out with Fripp is what gave him the balls to be so ornery to his former collaborator

https://thehardtimes.net/music/hall-and-oates-partner-with-smokeless-fire-pit-company-that-brings-friends-together/

even his facial hair is famous (there's a comic book about it).

is there?

It was actually an online cartoon.

More info:

Daryl Hall has sued his longtime music partner John Oates, arguing that his plan to sell off his share of a joint venture would violate the terms of a business agreement the Hall & Oates duo had forged.

The move quickly prompted a judge to temporarily block the sale while legal proceedings and a previously initiated arbitration continue.

A Nashville chancery court judge issued the temporary restraining order on Nov. 16, writing that Oates and others involved in his trust can't move to close the sale of their share of Whole Oats Enterprises LLP to Primary Wave IP Investment Management LLC until an arbitrator in a separately filed case weighs in on the deal, or until the judge's order expires — typically within 15 days, unless a judge extends the deadline.

Ah, so it's a temporary injunction, not a protective order.

Oates: I'm selling my 50% of our partnership
Hall: Don't you mean 10%

It's a method of modern law

It didn't work for Morrissey and Marr!

xxp LMAO

Oates will just have to rely on his old fans' money

It's somehow fitting that a Hall & Oates thread would become a gathering point for dad jokes.

We’re a Family Man

A gossip site suggests this has something to do with Oates singing their songs at his solo shows, which seems beyond ridiculous if true.

Ha ha didn’t the Zappa estate sue Dweezil for singing Frank Zappa songs live?

Jimbeaux

It's somehow fitting that a Hall & Oates thread would become a gathering point for dad jokes.

Have you seen the Steely Dan thread?

Seen it? I've lived it!

Q. Why did the farmer form a punk rock band?
A. Because he was tired of haulin' oats

(courtesy of N. Hamburger)

A gossip site suggests this has something to do with Oates singing their songs at his solo shows, which seems beyond ridiculous if true.

Daryl Hall has sued his longtime music partner John Oates, arguing that his plan to sell off his share of a joint venture would violate the terms of a business agreement the Hall & Oates duo had forged.

this seems much more likely and it's not a restraining order as reported, it's an injuncture which is a totally different thing, and also seems like a legitimate thing for Hall to be not ok with

Yeah, a TRO is usually issued in a domestic violence or other situation in which one of the parties presents a physical threat to the other. That didn't seem right in this case.

Daryl Hall filed a sharply worded sworn statement Wednesday explaining why he’s suing music partner John Oates over an alleged breach of their business partnership, and sadly he does not indulge us by incorporating his song titles into his filing.

Also this is the first time I've heard Oates address the following:

(Oates) claimed Hall is the one who went rogue, alleging Hall “has consistently and publicly been adamant about being perceived as an individual rather than as part of a duo or group.” He also alleged Hall has “insisted” on the group being known as “Daryl Hall and John Oates,” rather than the more commonly known “Hall & Oates.”

H (2o)

“Never sell your publishing — maybe if you’re, you know, 80 years old and you decided to retire, then you can sell your publishing..."

trying to somehow make a "kissinger on my list" joke without forcing it, but alas, it must be forced.