rolling #metoo thread for sexual harassment in the music industry so no one misses out when artists we don't give a fuck about like Tim Westwood and Bassnectar get caught

I saw some post on lipstick alley that was like

It’s probably not a good sign when the most fantastic part of your lawsuit is immediately corroborated

Has he killed people? There is a part in the lawsuit that talks about dangling someone outside a balcony, and a other part where he runs out of the house with a gun when he hears suge knight is around.

The level of psychological torture described almost makes murder seem quaint

Oh yes. Monstrous behavior and I am happy that Cassie is free. I just wonder about future criminal charges that could come from this.

Usually a domino effect when the initial claims hit so I'm suuure there's more to come

Has he killed people? There is a part in the lawsuit that talks about dangling someone outside a balcony, and a other part where he runs out of the house with a gun when he hears suge knight is around.

I mean, I guess if Cassie feels some closure it’s fine, but uh… that ended quick:

Both parties shared brief statements about the swift end to the case, with Cassie writing, “I have decided to resolve this matter amicably on terms that I have some level of control. I want to thank my family, fans and lawyers for their unwavering support.”

Diddy, for his part, offered, “We have decided to resolve this matter amicably. I wish Cassie and her family all the best. Love.” Wigdor said that neither his client nor Diddy would make further comment on the matter.

yeah that seems weird

idk, thinking about the mega-expensive legal team Diddy has at his disposal and the edgelord hate campaign that would be coming her way for a few years, I could see getting cold feet. her saying "on terms that I have some level of control" kind of suggests that to me.

yeah I'm glad for Cassie's sake that it's over (if it's truly what she wants deep down in her heart) but part of me wishes she didn't settle, his shit deserves to be thrown wide open into the public (not like there wasn't a lot already with the initial allegations)

its already thrown wide open to the public & this suggests 1) his lawyers were super shook and threw a ton of money at the problem to avoid discovery, and 2) he might still face criminal repercussions, if not from this from related issues that might now pop up, and 3) she didn't want to have to go through the process of a full trial & since she'd already exposed the crimes this was the best solution

the speed of the settlement is mainly a measure of how badly diddy needed it to go away, more than anything

but the bulk of the damage is done

Yeah I read this as him caving more than anything else.

From a public perspective and in terms of justice being served for very serious criminal allegations, this is a letdown. The timing is indeed weird, I would expect a settlement before the complaint is lodged. I don't imagine Sean Combs and his lawyers didn't see it ahead of time. Of course, the alleged victim has the final say, but money + "I wish her all the best" opens the possibility of a predator carrying on R Kelly style for another ten years until a trial eventually goes through. Sex trafficking in particular should be automatically prosecuted.

I'm wondering if the fact that the allegations were made public allowed Diddy to settle for less because his public persona is now damaged, or some other similar perverse legal logic.

not accusing anyone itt of saying the opposite but I think it's important to remember it's not up to the victim to fix the world, whatever outcome allows her to find some sort of closure is valid and we all know what hell women who speak up go through in the media still

This was a civil case. From the moment it went public people were fearing for her personal safety.

That it was settled so fast was only semi surprising; Kid Cudi straight away confirming the car story really damaged his ability to come out and paint her as a liar, which is the usual playbook on this these days.

Whether he faces legal charges isn’t up to Cassie. It’s up to the state and federal authorities I guess?

Someone I follow on Twitter had a thread of Cassie appearing in public with visible bruises/swelling over the years. It was all very in plain sight and I’m guessing nobody saying she needed to persevere to bring this man to Justice has ever remotely lived through anything like that for as long as she has.

Daniel otm, the rest of you saying she’s disappointed or whatever can absolutely park your “concern”. This information is out there now and it’s not going away. That in itself is huge.

Sex trafficking in particular should be automatically prosecuted.

Thought about the brutal and true essay about Nicole Brown Simpson reading the details of this case.

Escape, in fact, is hell, a period of indeterminate length reckoned in years, not months, when the ex-husband commits assaults intermittently and acts of terrorism with some consistency. Part of the torment is that freedom is near but he will not let the woman have it. Many escaped women live half in hiding. I am still afraid of my ex-husband each and every day of my life—and I am not afraid of much.

Maybe you don’t know how brave women are—the ones who have stayed until now and the ones who have escaped, both the living and the dead. Nicole Simpson is the hero. The perpetrator is the problem, stupid.

“It’s a letdown” makes it sound like you’re critiquing a tv show nabozo. It’s a civil trial, it was always ending in money exchanged

Also… how do you get a settlement for a case without filing it first?

I think some took them as apocryphal esp because there was always an aura of homophobia (to this day some of the most engaged-with posts about this stuff on twitter are basically some variety of 'damn I wonder now if the MEN will come forward!!' titillation)

is this some rumor about Diddy?

This was a civil case. From the moment it went public people were fearing for her personal safety.

exactly; a settlement is probably the best that could be hoped for here. he wasn't being charged with criminal activity.

That rumor has been made about almost every popular crossover rapper that I can think of

I thought I remembered some specific rumors about a bunch of East Coast rappers but I think it might have just been a memory of some slashfic that Ethan posted way back in the day

Tons of talk about Diddy hosting gay men's parties. I think I know about mostly from youtube recommending me videos of 50 Cent explaining why he won't go to his parties.

is it an actual rumour about his sexuality or was that more of a "making fun of dre in makeup" type situation?

fuck him regardless - I know there are tons of closeted rappers but it's probably the wrong topic for this particular thread

A homophobic undercurrent is 100% specifically about diddy, lots of people acting as if that’s what he’s actually being exposed for

https://x.com/qsj1_/status/1725278476737953991?s=46&t=OsnGfYEn5jsw4I116OFNbg

https://x.com/painbuiltt/status/1725295616601841869?s=46&t=OsnGfYEn5jsw4I116OFNbg

https://x.com/heartbreakseun/status/1725268026524602777?s=46&t=OsnGfYEn5jsw4I116OFNbg

Look at the engagement on those tweets too. That’s what i meant about “titillating”

This stuff is what I was seeing

P.Diddy was Usher’s legal guardian. Justin Bieber literally just turned 15 years old. Bieber had to spend 48 hours with Diddy, the location and what they did was undisclosed, but we know what happened. He's not beat those allegations. pic.twitter.com/KlMQG45z4s

— 💍𝒮𝓊𝑔𝒶🫶🏾 Highly Blessed ❤️⚜️🖤 (@SagittariusN2U) November 17, 2023

Also… how do you get a settlement for a case without filing it first?

she did file the lawsuit the day the story was reported

is it an actual rumour about his sexuality

it seems to largely date back to wendy williams claiming basically every rapper was closeted back in the 90s. i guess it just stuck more with diddy than some of the others because people don't like him?

Think D-40 was saying the complaint about a settlement being so fast after a filing is...you have to file before you can settle so the proximity isn't indicative of much

Sorry DJP, not D-40

*complaint about a settlement being so fast is silly because

I thought I remembered some specific rumors about a bunch of East Coast rappers but I think it might have just been a memory of some slashfic that Ethan posted way back in the day

― omar little, Saturday, November 18, 2023 12:53 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

hadn't thought of this for a while, the thing that stuck with me rather than the explicit gay sex was the rappers playing strip poker and one of them suggesting they "raise the steaks"

xp oh that makes way more sense than my misunderstanding lol

but i figure it's probably less likely to be that the settlement was the product of extensive prior negotiations, or if they were then it was very much on her terms, because obviously the allegations getting out there so publicly is very much a major loss for diddy

i hadn't heard anything about diddy's private life - i think the only story i really knew was Questlove's story about playing with Black Star soon after Biggie's death, during which they did their cover of "Children's Story" that was aimed at commercial rap, resulting in Diddy screaming at them about their disrespect for 20 minutes in a back room to the point where they started to fear for their lives. told in a comic fashion but definitely made him sound terrifying to be on the wrong side of.

I think it’s notable that the “voyeur” allegations involved third parties that could presumably verify the claims. All the other allegations seemed to take place in private so it would just devolve into a he said/she said situation.

Also… how do you get a settlement for a case without filing it first?

Oh, this happens all the time. Hard to quantify, but maybe 50% if there is insurance involved.

Also, my wife the attorney says that the case could not have settled in 24 hours as a result of the filing. Rather, letting her file the case was likely part of the negotiated settlement.

She also thinks all the statements around the filings by the parties were negotiated days or weeks in advance.

Why could it not have been settled in 24 hrs? Not doubting your wife, just curious.

Lots of reasons!

After the settlement, counsel on either side released statements that prior to the filing Cassie was demanding $30M and that Diddy offered "8 figures" (i.e. $10M or more) to make this go away before filing and to prevent Cassie from writing a book. She filed and my guess is she is going to write a book. It seems like she took less money to have the right to do that.

These are huge numbers and a big gap to overcome which likely took weeks or months of negotiation, not 24 hours. Once a financial agreement was reached, the actual language of the settlement agreement probably took days or weeks to negotiate.

It's also not likely they were negotiating for months and were close and she forced him into settlement by filing. A substantial portion of Cassie's leverage in negotiations ends the second she filed and made this all public - the cat is out of the bag. Once she does that, nothing is going to happen in the legal case for likely months until court conferences are scheduled and discovery starts. So the pressure to settle actually lessens once she files, not increases. The pressure to settle would likely increase again later with the potential for leaks from depositions, court filings, etc. and reach the greatest point right before a trial.

TLDR, cases of this magnitude with these numbers and this potential publicity don't just settle like that within 24 hours of filing. The system doesn't work that way.

Why would she negotiate the right to file, though? You mentioned insurance reasons earlier… how would that play into it? I’ve just never heard of this scenario.

Well, she always has the right to file - her counsel probably sent Diddy's counsel a draft complaint weeks if not months ago saying, "this is what we're going to file if you don't settle."

He paid her enough to resolve the matter but not enough to keep her quiet. What I am saying is the filing likely didn't bring about the settlement, for the reasons outlined above (i.e. "they were negotiating for months and were close and she forced him into settlement by filing" doesn't make sense). So the filing and statements regarding the settlement were likely negotiated, at least in the broad strokes.

My comment re: insurance was in response to the comment someone made about how you settle a claim before a lawsuit is actually filed. I was just saying that this happens all the time everywhere, especially where there is insurance coverage.

her counsel probably sent Diddy's counsel a draft complaint weeks if not months ago saying, "this is what we're going to file if you don't settle."

See, this is the scenario I'm familiar with. And obviously she would proceed with filing if that doesn't force a settlement. But (as you said) she loses her leverage at that point, so it's a little mystifying to me why the settlement would happen a day later. I thought you were suggesting that they negotiated this specific course of events ("X files the suit, then both parties announce settlement the next day").

It's so mystifying that I do think that is what happened (i.e. that the roll-out of the filing>settlement was stage managed to some degree).

Just to be clear, none of this is denigrate her - sorry she had to go through all this and hope she gets to tell her story.

There was a deadline for historic cases to be filed due to a law that was about to elapse iirc. I wonder if that had anything to do with the timing. It sends an odd focal point for this thread, tbh

I think the circumstances in which these revelations came to light, while still obtaining a settlement for the victim – as opposed to her agreeing to keep silent, as must happen in other cases we never hear about – are relevant to this thread... but fair enough, I was just curious about how PBKR's wife was explaining it. (fwiw, I think homophobic conspiracy tweets are also an odd focal point for this thread; but this dovetails from that discussion, in that it gets to how Diddy's "reputation" is affected by Cassie telling her story, which he apparently couldn't prevent even via settlement.)

Yeah, sorry gyac, just posting inside baseball legal stuff that was interesting to me. Don't mean to distract from the real issues.