Classic Or Dud: Pat Metheny

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Trio 99>00 (w/Bill Stewart & Grenadier) is sounding amazing.

Agreed. I remember reading that was recorded in one day after a long tour where none of that material was played. There is no guitar synthesizer on the whole record. Great (and hard to play) arrangement of "A Lot of Living To Do".

The Scofield record (I Can See Your House From Here) is a classic.

I got this one recently. If you like this one, you'll probably like "The Sound of the Summer Running" by Marc Johnson that has both Pat and Bill Frisell. Tasteful, restrained duo playing. In that same category I'd put "Beyond the Missouri Sky". The most recent one is also very nice.

EvR, Wednesday, 8 November 2023 09:31 (five months ago) link

There's another showcase one that's pretty good, Scofield's "Grace Under Pressure," with Frisell, Charlie Haden and Joey Baron.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 November 2023 13:06 (five months ago) link

I listened to a bit of Question & Answer yesterday and while the playing is great and Roy Haynes is beguiling on it, the early '90s sound was driving me a little crazy, like the tone of the flat ride cymbal and the bass (not to get all Steve Hoffman about it). I put on Like Minds (the Gary Burton record that also has Metheny, Haynes, and Holland).

Also thinking about how perfect Bill Stewart sounds on those trio records (99>00 and the live one). Like he's clearly listening to everything and reactive, but also has such a big bag of slick shit that he's worked out on his own, and everything is perfectly placed and clear. It's just very different from later period Haynes & Higgins, which is a much rawer thing with the weight of history behind it. No slight to either thing, Stewart is unique & brilliant, just different.

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 November 2023 16:45 (five months ago) link

The first I heard Stewart was on those Maceo Parker soul jazz records. so good.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 November 2023 16:59 (five months ago) link

Damn the version of 'Question & Answer' on Trio Live is really worth checking out...they play the whole tune through properly once, and then the guitar synth comes out (but it's cool) and they just rip for another 10 minutes.

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 November 2023 18:07 (five months ago) link

I love how committed he is to that one guitar synth patch, it seems so antithetical to the idea of synths, but dammit he's going to play the fuck out of that patch

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 8 November 2023 20:34 (five months ago) link

Haha. Ok I think Trio>Live is now officially my favorite Metheny album.

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 9 November 2023 20:46 (five months ago) link

It's great that Metheny likes to switch things up and also keeps hiring young musicians (his current drummer is Joe Dyson, a great New Orleans drummer who I saw with Donald Harrison when he was probably 15). But it's also insane that he's never reunited this trio in the last 20+ years (?).

This random facebook page has a full concert: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=506269073217146

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 9 November 2023 20:55 (five months ago) link

Fucking Bill Stewart.

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 9 November 2023 21:02 (five months ago) link

Check out Bill (and everyone!) killing it on this Mingus cover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LvXPjUcIcQ

Full band, btw:
Maceo Parker – alto saxophone, piano, organ
Fred Wesley – trombone
Alfred "Pee Wee" Ellis – tenor saxophone
Don Pullen – organ
Rodney Jones – guitar
Bill Stewart – drums
Bootsy Collins – bass guitar, guitar

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2023 21:35 (five months ago) link

I think those Maceo albums were also the first time I heard Bill Stewart, love that he was in that band. It's great to hear him play pocket and just keep it there, but still be able to hear the little Bill Stewart details.

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 9 November 2023 21:43 (five months ago) link

The one time I saw him live was with John Scofield. I assume he's well-regarded, but I never hear anyone (outside of drummers) talk about him. Then again, not sure who outside of drummers would talk about him, lol.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2023 21:50 (five months ago) link

Damn, I've never seen him. His trio with Larry Goldings and Peter Bernstein was playing in Milwaukee a few years ago and I didn't make the trip. I think any modern jazz musician would talk about him pretty reverently, same as Brian Blade or anyone from that generation, I think they're living legends at this point.

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 9 November 2023 22:05 (five months ago) link

Some fun breakdowns here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gA6XaUiX68

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 9 November 2023 22:06 (five months ago) link

My recent Rock Nacional studies led me to wonder about Pedro Aznar’s time with Pat but I haven’t really grokked it yet.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2023 23:01 (five months ago) link

I did see the Bill Stewart Larry Goldings Peter Bernstein trio somewhat recently in the beforetimes at the Jazz Standard and it was as good as advertised.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2023 23:03 (five months ago) link

I love how committed he is to that one guitar synth patch, it seems so antithetical to the idea of synths, but dammit he's going to play the fuck out of that patch

Not to go all Gearspace but it’s the first guitar synth that actually tracked well – the Roland GR-300. I have one and the reason he uses that patch so much is that it’s basically the only sound it makes.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 10 November 2023 03:39 (five months ago) link

Lol, good to know.

There some great sets by John Scofield's (w/Bill Stewart) and Bill Frisell's current trios here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30f1xTrVqXU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEfgRFzbgjU

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Monday, 13 November 2023 18:19 (five months ago) link

Who is that Frisell drummer?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 November 2023 18:26 (five months ago) link

Rudy Royston

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Monday, 13 November 2023 18:31 (five months ago) link

This is another good Bill Stewart on drums set with Scofield and Steve Swallow filmed for European TV in NYC. It is pretty much like having a chair right at the front of the stage. Really cool to see these people play that close up and it sounds excellent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIMkmbxwpco

earlnash, Monday, 13 November 2023 22:39 (five months ago) link

Vimeo has an on-demand John Scofield documentary. Included are several bonus features, including one with Pat Metheny (11 min).

EvR, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 09:12 (five months ago) link

this is good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIILHmcVc2Y

blazin' squab (NickB), Thursday, 23 November 2023 17:43 (five months ago) link

four months pass...

ridiculous i been sleepin on pat metheny all this time

— Flea (@flea333) April 1, 2024

mookieproof, Monday, 1 April 2024 03:14 (four weeks ago) link

RHCP are good again

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 1 April 2024 04:00 (four weeks ago) link

Kinda hard to believe a bit considering PMs first record is one of the primary Jaco albums. Id figure he would know that one.

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Monday, 1 April 2024 12:33 (four weeks ago) link

this bright size life album is fucking rad

— Flea (@flea333) April 1, 2024

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 April 2024 12:55 (four weeks ago) link

April Fools?

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 01:58 (three weeks ago) link


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