Hiroshi Yoshimura (吉村弘)

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i adore Inoyama Land. H Hosono's production technique on Danzindan-Pojidon is out there but so effective -

Hosono built a special "Water Delay System" for the sound design of "Pokala", "Glass Chaim", "Mizue", "Meine Reflexion" and "8·31". Three speakers and a woofer are placed in the water (with rubber or vinyl covering) or on the water surface in a tank, the delayed sound is then recorded with a simple microphone and mixed together with the original recordings, so that the music sounds exactly like diving through the underwater cave on Inoyama Land.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 00:38 (five months ago) link

yes! I think it achieves exactly what he intended it to.

unfortunately they don't have a super deep catalogue but the stuff collected on the recently issued "Commissions" comp is very good as well. they also have a fairly new one (well, 2020) which I think I'm going to order

crazy those guys used to be in Hikashu, a pretty weird punk/New Wave sort of band. a band which I just found out have way way more albums than I realized!

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 00:47 (five months ago) link

Live Archives 1978-1984 also very good.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 00:52 (five months ago) link

I keep looking for someone copying what this guy did but have been coming up mostly blank. Listened to a Japanese ambient 80’s compilation with Hiroshi on and the other acts were good, but just not the same.

St. Mega (or whatever it was) had some nice hiroshi adjacent stuff in it

#1 García Fan (H.P), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 00:58 (five months ago) link

St. Giga, that’s what it was

#1 García Fan (H.P), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 00:59 (five months ago) link

would also recommend y'all to check out Inoyama Land which I think is a very similar but slightly more playful version of this sound

― frogbs, Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:31 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

We got a thread

general Kankyo Ongaku / '80s Japanese Ambient - Hiroshi Yoshimura, Midori Takada, Satoshi Ashikawa, Yoshio Ojima, Inoyama Land

The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 03:47 (five months ago) link

Can someone explain why his music was so obscure for so long and why is it all of a sudden getting re-discovered now, 20 years after he died? (Though I guess "all of a sudden" is a bit misleading, since this thread is three years old.)

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 12:47 (five months ago) link

Fwiw, I ran into music for nine online in 2013 as a “normal-not-crazy-online-music-nerd” and saw it sitting centre stage in a “BUY THIS COOL RECORD” middle of the record store location in a 2015 trip to Tokyo. No answer to your question, but seems like the dude has had a long rediscovery!

#1 García Fan (H.P), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 12:58 (five months ago) link

I’d boil it down to 1. The music really does speak for itself, it’s top quality, 2. Cultural wave of ambient becoming popular (“lofi beats”, “minecraft music”, “actual ambient becoming part of your none music lovers life”), 3. Dead + foreign mystique

#1 García Fan (H.P), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 13:02 (five months ago) link

His stuff is very accessible too. I’ve tried to explain the appeal of ambient to a (none music nerd) friend; basinski didn’t work, aphex didn’t work, eno/budd kinda worked? Hiroshi hit straight away. You’d have to be a pretty unreasonable fella/lady to not get some enjoyment out of Hiroshi

#1 García Fan (H.P), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 13:05 (five months ago) link

To try to answer the first part, I think it's probably a simple case of not being directly available in the West.

Most Japanese acts from the past, that we have been aware of, have had some sort of representation by their record company or some quirk of pre-internet exposure, like acknowledgment/enthusiasm in the press by a Western artist/musician for instance.

I'm guessing that traditionally, major labels in Japan have reasoned that we wouldn't be interested in Japanese language music unless it was so big and zeitgeisty that it could be worth a try to break that barrier, like YMO, but even YMO had brief and limited success. The language barrier was probably much more of an issue back then.

Funnily enough, a lot of the Japanese bands from the late 80s/90s that did get exposure over here seemed not to be on majors.

But this fails to cover wordless music, of course.

Looking back through Discogs I can see that Green got an American release in 1986 but none of the others made it outside of Japan, but then again, how many records were Windham Hill selling at the time? or how many copies of Thursday Afternoon sold upon release, so it could just be economics and reach.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 13:11 (five months ago) link

God I love Thursday afternoon. Here’s a fun little blog on it

https://reverbmachine.com/blog/deconstructing-brian-eno-thursday-afternoon/

#1 García Fan (H.P), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 13:15 (five months ago) link

why his music was so obscure for so long

i think it was known to a few people - i know Mixmaster Morris was talking about him in hushed tones in the 90s. But, until relatively recently few ears were focussed on the jewels in the Japanese electronic / ambient music canon. A few influential mixes plus Youtube algorithms plus Japan opening up to international licensing are probably the major factors in play as to why there was a huge acceleration of awareness.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 13:20 (five months ago) link

Probably need to shout out Spencer Doran here - he uploaded vinyl rips of a bunch of HY albums to Root Strata's blog 10-12 years ago which is where I assume many of those Youtube uploads were sourced. And those first Fairlights Mallets & Bamboo and Music Interiors mixes were super-influential.

bamboohouses, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 13:46 (five months ago) link

^Ahh I just hit "submit post" to say basically the same thing, but you beat me to it. Those mixes and the Yoshimura albums rocked (chilled?) my world in 2013.

J. Sam, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 13:51 (five months ago) link

I assumed that it was mostly down to the YouTube algorithm, which is generally how stuff like this explodes in popularity. I think that is how Hosono's Muji BGM tape also got suddenly very famous, even though Hosono himself says he really doesn't remember making it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34UutDrXV2Q

1.5m views on this puppy, plus one of the most bizarre comment sections I think I've ever seen on YouTube.

Of course I think it's not just that - I heard Yoshimura's name crop up a lot like 8-10 years ago, so he was always on my radar. But it wasn't until I actually saw the album in a shop that I was like, oh, it's *that* guy

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 14:31 (five months ago) link

I'm guessing that traditionally, major labels in Japan have reasoned that we wouldn't be interested in Japanese language music unless it was so big and zeitgeisty that it could be worth a try to break that barrier, like YMO, but even YMO had brief and limited success. The language barrier was probably much more of an issue back then.

maybe, though I think the vast majority of YMO's lyrics are in English! (outside of Naughty Boys where it's half and half) I think the issue for them was they were marketed in the Western world as being sort of a gimmick band that played into some stereotypes about Japanese people (which, to be fair, YMO were kind of game to play into themselves). I remember speaking to an older record store dude about them who says he definitely remembers them getting hype in the USA but they weren't really marketed like Kraftwerk or other electronic music, rather he spoke of posters with the Xoo Multiplies cover with text that says "They came from Japan...", as though they were space aliens.

of course the appreciation for them *now* seems to be a lot more sincere, and again I'm not exactly sure where it came from, but I think when it comes to Japanese electronic and New Wave pretty much all roads lead to one of the 3 guys (particularly Hosono) so there are dozens of possible answers.

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 14:50 (five months ago) link

I also think the rise of working-from-home has helped with the ascent of this stuff - it's on Youtube, but it wouldn't be something people would have actively sought out before. Now they're at home working eight hours daily and they don't have the background sound of the office so they search for ambient music that's pleasant and comforting without being distracting.

boxedjoy, Thursday, 2 November 2023 08:28 (five months ago) link

Mention of ‘Thursday Afternoon’ reminded me of this.

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/magazine/04funny_humor.html

Dan Worsley, Thursday, 2 November 2023 08:39 (five months ago) link

paywall

#1 García Fan (H.P), Thursday, 2 November 2023 09:34 (five months ago) link

Unhappy Hour By Wendy McClure
June 4, 2006
My boyfriend, Chris, and I were at Rossi's, an amiable dive bar where everything was burnished with nicotine. Except the jukebox. The jukebox was new, and with its cheerful, glowing computer screen, it looked like a particularly glitzy A.T.M. The music didn't come from CD's or records inside the actual jukebox but from an immense database somewhere on the Internet or maybe even outer space.

The place was filling up. Chris grabbed our pitcher and topped off the glasses of our second round. We paused to listen to the song that was just starting. It built up slowly — a low, swelling hum punctuated by simple, tentative piano notes. They went, "Ting. . .ting ting.. . ."

"Didn't someone play this song before?" Chris said.

We waited to hear more of the song. There wasn't more. Just ting and ting. And ting again.

"Before when?" I asked.

"Before, uh. . ." Chris put down his glass to think. So did I. We both got faraway looks in our eyes, spacing out, trying to remember. The song was particularly well suited for spacing out. Ting.

The last jukebox selection we could recall was by Pink Floyd, but that was practically a whole beer ago. This new song, we realized, had been playing ever since, steadily emitting an ambient drone and random tings for nearly 10 minutes now. It sounded like excellent music for floatation-tank therapy. Less so for Miller-Lite-and-video-game therapy, the kind you get at Rossi's.

Chris went and checked the screen. "Well, that explains it," he said. "It's a Brian Eno song." The song was called "Thursday Afternoon."

I don't know much about Brian Eno. I know that he is a highly innovative artist and a very important producer and also that in the 70's, he used to wear a lot of ostrich feathers. I would read later that with songs like "Thursday Afternoon," he was experimenting with what he called a "holographic" style, composed according to mathematical principles, in a series of repeated loops in which each component represents the whole. A whole that does not, technically speaking, rock.

Before long a girl approached the jukebox and peered at the screen.

"Is it stuck?" she asked no one in particular. "Or skipping, or something.”

She wandered off. The song wandered on.

I poured the rest of our beer. The TV above the bar had "Jeopardy!" on mute, and we tried to follow along. Chris visited the men's room. Chris came back from the men's room.
He said, "The song is still playing." Because it was.

People were turning in their seats to stare at the jukebox and then glance at the Michelob Ultra clock. I read the lips of a woman in conversation across the room; I could definitely make out the words "song" and "my God." The song had been playing for about 25 minutes, sounding exactly the same as it had when it started. Only somehow, paradoxically, worse.

Credit...Illustration by James Taylor
Two college-age guys came up to assess the jukebox grimly, as if they were inspecting a car for damage. "Who played this?" one of them said. "It's like yoga music or something."

They looked around, but out of the two dozen or so people in the bar, nobody owned up to playing a 20-odd-minute yoga song. Which, at this point, was getting to be more like a 30-odd-minute song.

"When's it going to play my stuff?" the other college guy asked. By now this seemed a hypothetical question. Elsewhere throughout the bar, there appeared to be considerably more fidgeting and peeling of beer bottle labels than usual. Darts seemed to miss their target more frequently. Ting. . .ting.
"Weren't we going to get dinner shumwhere?" I said, with difficulty. We were on our second pitcher of beer.

Chris shook his head. "We can't leave." Either he wanted to stay until the end of the song, or else the song was making it physically and inexplicably impossible for us to leave the bar, as in that Buñuel film where nobody can leave the dinner party. Imagine replacing the brass cylinder in a music box with a Möbius strip made from nerve endings, and you might get a sense of how "Thursday Afternoon" felt after 45 minutes. The mood in the bar was approaching that of a hostage crisis.

"I put 10 bucks in that thing," one of the college kids kept saying.

"This isn't right," said an older man near the bar. "This isn't fair."

Four male patrons took it on themselves to investigate the jukebox. They felt along the sides of the machine as if in search of a button or switch. We all watched. "Turn it off!" someone yelled.

"I'm not going to turn it off!" the bartender called out suddenly. Everyone turned to look at her. The room fell silent. "Someone paid money to play that song. So they're gonna get their song," she said, bitterly. "You think I like it when you guys play that head-banger stuff?"
Ting. . . .Ting. The men stepped away from the jukebox. If "Thursday Afternoon" was to last all night, so be it.

After an hour and 50 seconds, the tings tapered off, and then the synthesizer drone ceased. And then a moment of heavy silence, and then scattered applause throughout Rossi's.

We all looked back at the jukebox. Any Song, the screen read. Any Time.

Dan Worsley, Thursday, 2 November 2023 11:06 (five months ago) link

That’s so great. The gym I went to for 6 months had a thing like this and I cued a 1hr of silence track on Spotify because I hate listening to music in the gym lol. Turns out I ruined the whole system, they got rid of the request a song feature exclusively because of the asshole that played hours of silence lol

#1 García Fan (H.P), Thursday, 2 November 2023 11:45 (five months ago) link

I was typically the only person in the gym when I did this (small gym, I went at weird hours). I didn’t realise it got added to a playlist until after I started doing it in my defence!

#1 García Fan (H.P), Thursday, 2 November 2023 11:46 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

been using his music to get my 6 year old daughter to sleep and it works so well. like in 2 minutes she'll be out. and if I'm not careful I'll fall asleep too.

frogbs, Thursday, 16 November 2023 15:24 (five months ago) link

xp May have told this story before but my friend and I queued up "Too Long" by Daft Punk several times in a bar that was fool enough to have Discovery on their jukebox. I don't think we even got through one listen before the staff skipped to the next song

Vinnie, Thursday, 16 November 2023 15:36 (five months ago) link

I think the online Touchtunes ones won't let you play the same song on repeat anymore. or if you do it'll skip them or move them back to the queue or something. it definitely does that if you play a bunch of songs by the same artist.

the one time I got skipped was when I played both versions of "Yeah" by LCD Soundsystem in a row, which is like over 20 minutes in total. it was pretty funny because people were getting upset at the first version for being too long and repetitive, then it stopped and I heard someone go "ok FINALLY" only for the 12 minute remix to kick in, which led to a bartender actually unplugging the jukebox because she didn't know how to skip the song

frogbs, Thursday, 16 November 2023 15:53 (five months ago) link

speaking of LCD this one bar I used to go to had some kind of automatic volume adjustment on their jukebox depending on how loud the actual music was. I think the idea was that recordings from say the 70's or 80's are pretty quiet compared to brickwalled modern stuff and you want them to play at the same volume. but it was a dynamic adjustment so the quiet bits on songs would be very audible. anyway someone (not me) plays "All My Friends" and that beginning piano intro was so loud that it was kind of physically disorienting. like I'm used to shouting through music but those clanging atonal piano chords just stopped all the conversation in the bar. and it felt like it went on forever!

frogbs, Thursday, 16 November 2023 16:02 (five months ago) link

Got away with playing all of “The Diamond Sea” (LP version, not the extended one) in a sports bar in Harrisburg, PA once and it seemed like hardly anyone even noticed.

spastic heritage, Sunday, 19 November 2023 17:10 (five months ago) link


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