Attention Tuomas- I have a Finnish language question

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Lots of cases, mostly.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:53 (six months ago) link

Don’t try and learn them all (at once)

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:53 (six months ago) link

I guess "syntax" might be a better word than "grammar."

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:54 (six months ago) link

There is one interesting word order thing though that is pretty important, I think.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:54 (six months ago) link

Because there is no definite article, a thing is shown to be definite by putting it towards the beginning of the sentence.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:56 (six months ago) link

For vocabulary you can also use drops or even dict.cc.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:56 (six months ago) link

Definitely something fun about learning such a different language it’s true.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:00 (six months ago) link

I seem to enjoy it more than Hungarian.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:00 (six months ago) link

Finns are, in general, more enjoyable than Hungarians.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:00 (six months ago) link

Because there is no definite article, a thing is shown to be definite by putting it towards the beginning of the sentence.

See, this is fascinating to me as a fact, I love learning stuff like this about languages. But you can bet if I ever tried to speak a sentence to a Finnish person I would forget it in an instant and produce a terribly incoherent mess.

emil.y, Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:00 (six months ago) link

"I am with cheese, head fist."

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:01 (six months ago) link

Finns are, in general, more enjoyable than Hungarians.

I bet their goulash is worse, though.

emil.y, Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:02 (six months ago) link

The Duolingo Hungarian course is also notoriously bad so the Finnish approach is definitely an improvement.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:06 (six months ago) link

xp Right, Finnish goulash is not a thing.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:07 (six months ago) link

Finnish vodka, though

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:08 (six months ago) link

Saunas

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:08 (six months ago) link

Finnish vodka, though

I think I have finally got through my Fisu phase, I probably shouldn't go back, it'd kill me. IT'S SO GOOD THOUGH.

https://guides.brit.co/guides/make-finish-fisu-strong-menthol-sauna-alcohol

emil.y, Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:11 (six months ago) link

Here’s another cool thing about Finnish grammar, to express negativity or negation at least: they have a special verb which gets conjugated and does all the heavy lifting.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:12 (six months ago) link

Fisu Sisu

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:12 (six months ago) link

Basically, Fisu and Fonal = my dream of Finland.

emil.y, Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:14 (six months ago) link

I see that Drops may have some quality control issues.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 18:55 (six months ago) link

Or maybe not, at least not in this case.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 19:03 (six months ago) link

Here’s a interesting word I just learned: luku, which means number but also means chapter and has something to do with reading.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 19:45 (six months ago) link

Wiktionary seems to be pretty good for Finnish.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 15:44 (six months ago) link

oh hi, I took two solid years of Finnish in college, ama

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 29 October 2023 19:50 (six months ago) link

plusses:
every letter is always pronounced the same!
accent is always on the 1st syllable
no gender!

minuses:
no prepositions
words derive meaning by tacking on suffix after suffix, it can be hard to parse

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 29 October 2023 19:53 (six months ago) link

I used to have an excellent Finnish-English dictionary but my college buddy who was also obsessed with the language appropriated it, I'm pretty sure it was a classbook.

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 29 October 2023 19:54 (six months ago) link

words derive meaning by tacking on suffix after suffix, it can be hard to parse

see also: Quechua

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 29 October 2023 19:54 (six months ago) link

Ha, my good friend and neighbor is doing some serious Kichwa studies right now.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 21:00 (six months ago) link

such a cool language, and weirdly very similar to Finnish in some ways! (letters always pronounced the same, accents in same place, suffixes add meaning)

my personal pet theory is that it's all from an original Mongolian source (Finnish, Hungarian, Quechua)

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 29 October 2023 21:02 (six months ago) link

Lot of extra texture detail in Wiktionary like this:

Etymology

ostaa +‎ -os. Coined by Finnish author and journalist Pietari Hannikainen.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 22:29 (six months ago) link

Note the use of the connegative with the negative verb:

tule

present active indicative connegative of tulla

En/et/ei/emme/ette/eivät tule.
I/you/he/she/it/we/you/they don't come.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 22:45 (six months ago) link

Käsi käden pesee.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 22:47 (six months ago) link

Turpa kiinni!

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 23:15 (six months ago) link

En voi muutakaan.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 23:20 (six months ago) link

I can see from the leaderboard that people are really making use of Clozemaster for Finnish.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 23:23 (six months ago) link

https://www.kielitoimistonsanakirja.fi
Monolingual Finnish dictionary. Not for the faint of heart.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 October 2023 15:08 (six months ago) link

Has everything and is superfast though.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 October 2023 15:10 (six months ago) link

Oletko hullu?

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 October 2023 15:28 (six months ago) link

Neljä vuodenaikaa, kevät, kesä, syksy ja talvi.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 October 2023 18:42 (six months ago) link

Ihanko totta?

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 October 2023 19:39 (six months ago) link

lämpö

Etymology

Back-formation from lämpöinen. Coined by Finnish physician and author Samuel Roos and Finnish professor, poet and scholar August Ahlqvist in 1845.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 15:52 (six months ago) link


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