If I want to continue I guess I will use Clozemaster combined with some other things. Can’t really find a great dictionary anywhere though, at least in English, but did find on okay Swedish-Finnish done.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:13 (six months ago) link
On=an
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:14 (six months ago) link
https://kaino.kotus.fi/finsk-svensk/
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:15 (six months ago) link
Seriously considering giving the duolingo Finnish course a go. Did you consider it a difficult language to learn?
― emil.y, Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:26 (six months ago) link
Sure it’s difficult, because there is almost no vocabulary in common with any other language somebody might know.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:38 (six months ago) link
Pronunciation is not that bad at all though.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:39 (six months ago) link
Grammar is kind of challenging but Duolingo spoonfeeds you a selected set of cases.
Course gets tedious pretty quickly though
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:40 (six months ago) link
So I learned something, not sure what exactly. Now that I am officially finished with Duolingo Finnish I am graduating myself to Clozemaster.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:41 (six months ago) link
I've wanted to learn it for some time. My dad's mom spoke it as her first language (her parents came from Turku) and it stuck with her till the day she died. I still remember the sign she had on the kitchen wall that said "Tervetuloa meidän kotiimme."
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:46 (six months ago) link
Perhaps weirdly, its isolation on the linguistic family tree is part of the appeal to me. I've never become fluent in other languages but am fairly capable at picking up vocabulary words - Finnish being so remote makes it a real challenge and a chance to pick up something completely new. The thing that tends to fuck me over with languages is grammar, so I always end up giving up once I've learnt a little and I doubt it'd be much different here.
― emil.y, Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:50 (six months ago) link
I have no idea whether Finnish relies more on word order, case declension or something else for its grammar.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:52 (six months ago) link
Okay then, give it a go!(xp)
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:53 (six months ago) link
Lots of cases, mostly.
Don’t try and learn them all (at once)
I guess "syntax" might be a better word than "grammar."
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:54 (six months ago) link
There is one interesting word order thing though that is pretty important, I think.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:54 (six months ago) link
Because there is no definite article, a thing is shown to be definite by putting it towards the beginning of the sentence.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 16:56 (six months ago) link
For vocabulary you can also use drops or even dict.cc.
Definitely something fun about learning such a different language it’s true.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:00 (six months ago) link
I seem to enjoy it more than Hungarian.
Finns are, in general, more enjoyable than Hungarians.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:00 (six months ago) link
See, this is fascinating to me as a fact, I love learning stuff like this about languages. But you can bet if I ever tried to speak a sentence to a Finnish person I would forget it in an instant and produce a terribly incoherent mess.
― emil.y, Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:00 (six months ago) link
"I am with cheese, head fist."
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:01 (six months ago) link
I bet their goulash is worse, though.
― emil.y, Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:02 (six months ago) link
The Duolingo Hungarian course is also notoriously bad so the Finnish approach is definitely an improvement.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:06 (six months ago) link
xp Right, Finnish goulash is not a thing.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:07 (six months ago) link
Finnish vodka, though
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:08 (six months ago) link
Saunas
I think I have finally got through my Fisu phase, I probably shouldn't go back, it'd kill me. IT'S SO GOOD THOUGH.
https://guides.brit.co/guides/make-finish-fisu-strong-menthol-sauna-alcohol
― emil.y, Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:11 (six months ago) link
Here’s another cool thing about Finnish grammar, to express negativity or negation at least: they have a special verb which gets conjugated and does all the heavy lifting.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:12 (six months ago) link
Fisu Sisu
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:12 (six months ago) link
Basically, Fisu and Fonal = my dream of Finland.
― emil.y, Saturday, 28 October 2023 17:14 (six months ago) link
I see that Drops may have some quality control issues.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 18:55 (six months ago) link
Or maybe not, at least not in this case.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 19:03 (six months ago) link
Here’s a interesting word I just learned: luku, which means number but also means chapter and has something to do with reading.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 October 2023 19:45 (six months ago) link
Wiktionary seems to be pretty good for Finnish.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 15:44 (six months ago) link
oh hi, I took two solid years of Finnish in college, ama
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 29 October 2023 19:50 (six months ago) link
plusses: every letter is always pronounced the same!accent is always on the 1st syllableno gender!
minuses:no prepositionswords derive meaning by tacking on suffix after suffix, it can be hard to parse
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 29 October 2023 19:53 (six months ago) link
I used to have an excellent Finnish-English dictionary but my college buddy who was also obsessed with the language appropriated it, I'm pretty sure it was a classbook.
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 29 October 2023 19:54 (six months ago) link
words derive meaning by tacking on suffix after suffix, it can be hard to parse
see also: Quechua
Ha, my good friend and neighbor is doing some serious Kichwa studies right now.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 21:00 (six months ago) link
such a cool language, and weirdly very similar to Finnish in some ways! (letters always pronounced the same, accents in same place, suffixes add meaning)
my personal pet theory is that it's all from an original Mongolian source (Finnish, Hungarian, Quechua)
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 29 October 2023 21:02 (six months ago) link
Lot of extra texture detail in Wiktionary like this:Etymologyostaa + -os. Coined by Finnish author and journalist Pietari Hannikainen.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 22:29 (six months ago) link
Note the use of the connegative with the negative verb:tulepresent active indicative connegative of tullaEn/et/ei/emme/ette/eivät tule.I/you/he/she/it/we/you/they don't come.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 22:45 (six months ago) link
Käsi käden pesee.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 22:47 (six months ago) link
Turpa kiinni!
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 23:15 (six months ago) link
En voi muutakaan.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 23:20 (six months ago) link
I can see from the leaderboard that people are really making use of Clozemaster for Finnish.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 October 2023 23:23 (six months ago) link
https://www.kielitoimistonsanakirja.fiMonolingual Finnish dictionary. Not for the faint of heart.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 October 2023 15:08 (six months ago) link
lämpöEtymologyBack-formation from lämpöinen. Coined by Finnish physician and author Samuel Roos and Finnish professor, poet and scholar August Ahlqvist in 1845.
― My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 15:52 (six months ago) link