looks like Chesebro is now also pleading guilty
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 20 October 2023 16:32 (six months ago) link
Here we go:
NEW: Kenneth Chesebro, alleged architect of the “fake electors” plot, has struck a plea deal with prosecutors in Fulton County, Georgia, per source familiar with the arrangement. — Anna Bower, Lawfare
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 October 2023 16:32 (six months ago) link
And he was in direct communication with Eastman and Clark and types like that. Fun!
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 October 2023 16:33 (six months ago) link
bring it
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Friday, 20 October 2023 16:33 (six months ago) link
fuck me, this was the guy who was marching with Alex Jones, wearing a maga hat on jan 6th!
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 20 October 2023 16:34 (six months ago) link
excuse me, I've gotta flip this Cheesebro
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 20 October 2023 16:36 (six months ago) link
When one cheese bro falls, they all fall.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 20 October 2023 16:36 (six months ago) link
Yeah this is kinda amazing -- they were the ones who wanted to force their trials early, got it, and then folded, something that otherwise might not have happened for months if at all. Truly self-owns; let's see what he agreed to give up.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 October 2023 16:38 (six months ago) link
Guys, guys, I'm getting...hopeful?
― deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 20 October 2023 16:38 (six months ago) link
shhh lol
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Friday, 20 October 2023 16:40 (six months ago) link
even just a few days ago I heard a practising lawyer on a legal podcast saying it was unlikely that true believer Trump cultists like Powell and Cheesebro would flip.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 20 October 2023 16:44 (six months ago) link
I'm sure Lindell will continue holding the line
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Friday, 20 October 2023 16:46 (six months ago) link
this does feel like something of a moment
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 20 October 2023 16:47 (six months ago) link
10/20/23: MAGA has fallen
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 20 October 2023 16:53 (six months ago) link
pour one out for the cheesbro
― the new drip king (DJP), Friday, 20 October 2023 16:54 (six months ago) link
et tu chesebro
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 October 2023 16:56 (six months ago) link
more like chesemelt amirite
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 20 October 2023 17:00 (six months ago) link
No bro of mine
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 20 October 2023 17:03 (six months ago) link
grate expectations
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 20 October 2023 17:06 (six months ago) link
none of these people were going to do 20 years for trump.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 October 2023 17:06 (six months ago) link
is it true that biden already has more followers on truth social than trump? because if true that is pretty funny. crowd size and all. sorry if talked about already.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 October 2023 17:08 (six months ago) link
The Biden campaign has more than the Trump campaign: https://www.axios.com/2023/10/18/biden-truth-social-followers-trump
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Friday, 20 October 2023 17:09 (six months ago) link
gotta think truth social isnt too long for this world
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 October 2023 17:10 (six months ago) link
yeah a bit misleading because Trump doesn't really have a "campaign" like Biden does, I'm sure Trump the person has more Truth Social followers than anybody
― frogbs, Friday, 20 October 2023 17:13 (six months ago) link
6.4M compared to the two campaigns' collective 45K
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Friday, 20 October 2023 17:17 (six months ago) link
dt is a campaign unto himself
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 October 2023 17:18 (six months ago) link
I can only assume anyone who signs up for Truth Social automatically gets subscribed to Trump, MySpace Tom style
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Friday, 20 October 2023 17:18 (six months ago) link
xp He is large, he contains multitudes
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 20 October 2023 17:18 (six months ago) link
Looks like a similarish arrangement to Powell, except he's pleading guilty to a felony, ergo I'm sure he's got a lot more stuff to spill:
Chesebro pleaded guilty to 1 felony count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents. He will be ordered to serve 5 yrs probation, pay $5,000 in restitution, complete 100 hrs of community service, write a letter of apology to citizens of GA, and testify truthfully at trial. — Sam Gringlas, WABE
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 October 2023 17:21 (six months ago) link
after previously just having a sketchy concept (well, clueless tbh) of what a RICO case is and how it works from watching The Sopranos and other US crime movies and stuff. This has been very educational for me.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 20 October 2023 17:22 (six months ago) link
It has been mentioned previously, but just to reiterate, RICO statutes in the state of Georgia are very broad, covering many types of crimes that do not fall under RICO at the federal level. This has led prosecutors, including Fani Willis, to pursue RICO charges in some fairly unconventional cases, and has at times raised ethics questions concerning those cases. Doesn't mean that's an issue for this particular case, but it is context to keep in mind.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 20 October 2023 17:35 (six months ago) link
A little more under the radar since Trump wasn't charged there directly but per WaPo:
Also this week, a Michigan prosecutor told a judge she had reached a cooperation agreement with one of the 16 Republicans who had signed official-looking paperwork falsely claiming Trump had won that state.The judge on Thursday dismissed the charges against Trump elector James Renner, but neither side made public the terms of the prosecution’s deal with him.Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel (D) in July charged Renner and 15 others with eight felony counts each, including forgery and conspiracy to commit forgery. The prosecution of the others is ongoing.
The judge on Thursday dismissed the charges against Trump elector James Renner, but neither side made public the terms of the prosecution’s deal with him.
Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel (D) in July charged Renner and 15 others with eight felony counts each, including forgery and conspiracy to commit forgery. The prosecution of the others is ongoing.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 October 2023 17:46 (six months ago) link
xp
I don't like the idea of RICO being used against groups of ordinary citizens with no connection to power because making something a conspiracy seems to dispense with some of the ordinary legal protections defendants would have. But idgaf about this one!
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 20 October 2023 17:52 (six months ago) link
Protestors of the planned law enforcement training center in Atlanta have been charged under the RICO statute.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 20 October 2023 17:54 (six months ago) link
Sixty one of them, to be precise.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 20 October 2023 17:55 (six months ago) link
Some them for run of the mill activism. Once you define something as a criminal enterprise then anyone who does anything to help it is a co-conspirator.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 20 October 2023 17:57 (six months ago) link
Yeah, it's like the government deciding you are a "terrorist."
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 20 October 2023 17:58 (six months ago) link
i fucking hate trump. his hair looks fucking ridiculous in that courtroom. who goes to court with their hair like that?
i loved when jimmy kimmel said the other night that you are so used to trump being a scumbag that you forget what a dick he is!
― scott seward, Friday, 20 October 2023 17:59 (six months ago) link
sorry. just needed a good old-fashioned FUCK TRUMP. i'm good now.
Biden campaign should buy truth social and use it to deprogram his cult.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 October 2023 17:59 (six months ago) link
I have no doubt there will be some abhorrent use of RICO. Tbh my interest in this one is mainly just for entertainment. I just need the distraction from how depressing everything else is.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 20 October 2023 18:00 (six months ago) link
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra),
curtain call for this, very good
― that's when I reach for my copy of Revolver (WmC), Friday, 20 October 2023 19:02 (six months ago) link
otm
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 20 October 2023 20:58 (six months ago) link
Without commenting on this particular situation, FYI there are civil claims under RICO statutes too. Civil RICO claims can be brought by the government or by private citizens. There is no prison time in civil RICO claims.
So not every instance of a RICO case will mean someone's in jeopardy of going to prison.
― felicity, Friday, 20 October 2023 21:24 (six months ago) link
Well I guess anyone in a courtroom is in jeopardy of going to jail if they behave badly enough. I just mean prison not a remedy under civil RICO.
― felicity, Friday, 20 October 2023 21:26 (six months ago) link
BREAKING: Attorney JENNA ELLIS is taking a plea deal in Fulton County. She's pleading guilty to one count of aiding and abetting false statements and writings— Tamar Hallerman (@TamarHallerman) October 24, 2023
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 13:46 (six months ago) link
For those the can't or won't read Twitter (fair!), she goes on to post:
The terms: 5 years probation$5000 restitution to the Georgia Secretary of State’s officeFirst offender status100 hours community serviceApology letterTestify truthfullyNo communication with co-defendants, witnesses and mediaAdditional recorded statements to prosecutors
And as someone else posts:
Nice little reminder that as these various co-defendants plead guilty they're all implicating Trump in different prongs of the larger RICO conspiracy.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 13:48 (six months ago) link
the fact that the sentences are so lenient has to be pretty appealing to the rest
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 13:50 (six months ago) link
https://t4.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/72/03/89/240_F_72038944_pdmoHuXTyDyxrgqOtshAJvMAEoKa7OBm.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 13:56 (six months ago) link
hate to be this guy but what are the chances none of this is gonna matter because of a hung jury?
― frogbs, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 13:57 (six months ago) link