French films are shit. Porquoi?

well Caché is on there

nice to see Air de Famille there too, always been a favourite of mine

Amour's in there too; I think 2 of 100 is more than enough Haneke

lol.
Un Air de Famille probably the best Jaoui/Bacri but there are so many good ones. Comme Une Image, or Le Goût Des Autres come to mind

Was there some contractual obligation for every film to have Depardieu in the 70s?

Of the lesser known films on this list, I saw Je t'aime je t'aime the other day, an excellent nouvelle vague / time travel mashup, if you like La Jetee you'd like this one

biggest wtf for me is Blue Is The Warmest Colour in the top50, thought we'd all agreed to memory hole that one

Amour's in there too; I think 2 of 100 is more than enough Haneke

― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Monday, 16 October 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Rather have more Haneke than half a dozen Truffaut films, which is what stood out for me.

Right, well one Truffaut (400 Blows) is also enough

"Je t'aime je t'aime"

Thought this was an inspired choice.

xp = yup, just that one.

Haneke can go dominate the 100 greatest austrian films list :)

Slightly surprising there is no Celine Sciamma (?)

biggest wtf for me is Blue Is The Warmest Colour in the top50, thought we'd all agreed to memory hole that one

― Daniel_Rf,

She was wonderful in Passages. I have a forgiving heart.

Day for Night I'd take out, but the other Truffaut films are great and at least several more (Shoot the Piano Player, The Wild Child, The Green Room, etc) would make strong candidates.

I'm actually not a fan of Haneke - I probably agree with his ideas in a broader sense, but I always felt like he put them across in a sneering, contemptuous way. If I really had to include one of his films, it would probably be Code Unknown.

I like Amour more than most ILXers, thanks to Trintignant.

Trintignant was wonderful, so was Riva. They both gave great performances and to be fair, Haneke deserves some credit for that (not unless they told him "f--- off, I do what I want," which I highly doubt). I just hate how he filmed that movie and their performances in particular. At best, you could say it was cold and clinical, but at worst it was callous and terrible, particularly the climactic scene which I found repulsive in the way it was composed.

Let me reel it back in a bit - there are at least a couple of moments that were movingly depicted, such as this one. But the cruel ones weigh heavier in memory.

Reminds me Je t’aime, je t’aime is on sale at Kino Now right now.

Unfortunately, the color is way, way off. It's a problem with a lot of color films being restored from that era - revisionist color timing, and in this case, it's a egregious, cold, blue-looking palette. (From what I can tell, everyone who's familiar with this film's history has been very critical of the new look.) But it's a great film, and that still comes through despite the tinkering to the color.

I watched a dodgy rip from some dodgy Russian website, but I guess I'm no film purist!

She was wonderful in Passages. I have a forgiving heart.

tbc it's not her performance that I think is the issue with that film!

it's a rubbish list, which is tautological i guess

hating this list

I dunno, there are things on here that are new to me, which is all I think you can really ask from a (stupid, pointless) list.

Surprised at how high Les Valseuses placed. I watched it this year, and it has dated very poorly, including the woeful rape-that-turns-into-pleasure trope.

That and Blue/Warmest are examples of what the French call "le doubling down"

le merde

I've not seen 39 but tbh there are a few things I just don't give a fuck about. Is Rozier any good? MUBI is hosting a couple of films of his and can't say I cared.

If I really had to include one of his films, it would probably be Code Unknown.

― birdistheword, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 bookmarkflaglink

I love Haneke a lot (none of his films were on the S&S poll, which rankled), but CU was the one I wanted to see here.

Yes, Code Unknown above all else, though I liked Cache and Time of the Wolf too.

I think probably a lot of the stuff on the list that ILXors haven't seen is French postwar popular cinema, there's a lot of films that are huge within France but have next to no exposure outside of it. Stuff like Le Pere Noel Est Une Ordure, La Classe Americaine, L'Homme de Rio...and La Grande Vadrouille, which features two comedians that are viewed as Gods in France (De Funès and Bourvil) and was the highest grossing movie ever in the country until Titanic took its spot (I've seen it - it's one of those 60's caper comedies that are best watched in an alcoholic haze over the holidays. Terry-Thomas is in it!).

Yeah, there's some o_0 titles littered throughout this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_France

No desire whatsoever to see the films of the Asterix & Obelix series

Code Unknown
The Piano Teacher
Caché
Amour

^^ all the Haneke I need

I don't know if it's that o_0 really, every nation has its equivalents - not like Japanese box office is all Naruse or Italian box office all Antonioni.

One of those Asterix movies is good but I don't remember which one.

True, every national cinema has its own terrible, unfunny comedies

Carry on Films hello

Yep, which reminds me that someone voted Holiday on the Buses the best movie of all time in the Morbsies

From the o_0 list above, Le Diner de Cons still holds a special place in my heart

God I love to see people sharing my love of Code Unknown, one of my favourite movies and certainly my favourite Haneke

we need to decide who the french martin scorsese is and get him to express mild disdain for the asterix/obelix franchise

mild exasperation in fact

I once was hanging out with a guy who’d just spent several days with Haneke for the purpose of writing a profile, and said it was very funny to hear Haneke speak at length against bourgeois conceit and aesthetic, while his extremely lovely wife produced an endless supply of homemade delectables from the kitchen. Him: “we must reject everything the bourgeois stands for”, her: “who wants some pie?”

Both are true. We must reject it all, and we must have pie

that's funny but we must not allow the bourgeoisie to appropriate pie

let's have our pie and eat it too

"who wants pie" is really not a bourgeois conceit

I once was hanging out with a guy who’d just spent several days with Haneke for the purpose of writing a profile, and said it was very funny to hear Haneke speak at length against bourgeois conceit and aesthetic, while his extremely lovely wife produced an endless supply of homemade delectables from the kitchen. Him: “we must reject everything the bourgeois stands for”, her: “who wants some pie?”

― Preach The Crapen (flamboyant goon tie included),

Buñuel understood.

Just to be clear, this house is both anti-bourgeois and pro-pie

the discreet charm of the bourpiesie.

Yep, which reminds me that someone voted Holiday on the Buses the best movie of all time in the Morbsies

This genuinely made me laugh - and I really can't remember if that was my vote or not. After all, it is a Hammer film.

The website for the above table lists La Grande Illusion (1937) with an estimated 12.5 million admissions but the actual admissions are unknown.[3]

really, Renoir outsold Star Wars?

Haneke is like Cronenberg and Greenaway for me - all over the map in terms of quality. The more the films open up, the better he is, and I'd recommend 71 Fragments of a Chronology of Chance as one of his most interesting and least didactic.

Very nice to see Buffet Froid and Le Feu Follet represented, the former is like if the 70s Buñuel films were actually funny. I was also under the impression that Je t’aime, je t’aime was basically forgotten, it's a strange choice for a Resnais.

Sorry not to see any André Téchiné, is he too bourgeois even for the French? Or too many good movies with no major standout to collect votes?