Israel to World: "Suck It."

I know that raw emotion isn’t helpful right now, but fucking hell

Re: Hasan Abi’s fundraiser: I donated but I’m wondering -and this question might sound stupid- how will the funds or equipment actually get into Gaza (assuming that’s where they’re destined)?

Hoping that external pressure has at least caused the blocking of power food etc to be stopped.
Would be so great if the rest of the world were woken up to conditions in Gaza finally. Maybe far fetched cos they haven't been so far.
Israel will continue to be a nation of victims for indefinite generations not aggressors. Still stuck with the idea you would hope that trauma victims would do something to reduce trauma not channel it onwards. Which may be over positive.

"My grandfather survived Auschwitz, and that is why I fight for a free Palestine."

The words of Talia Baurer from Jewish Voice for Peace, who was one of 57 people arrested at a solidarity demonstration for the people of occupied Gaza in New York City. pic.twitter.com/zNQWtfn9mx

— AJ+ (@ajplus) October 14, 2023

PALESTINIANS IN GAZA ALREADY TRIED THIS! They held peaceful marches to the Israeli fence on the “border” and the IDF responded by FIRING LIVE AMMUNITION AT THEM! They shot THOUSANDS of Palestinians! THIS WAS LIKE FOUR YEARS AGO! https://t.co/1ZCNJkAoqs https://t.co/646krzkhRj

— sam (@halaljew) October 14, 2023

Misspelling Gandhi is a good sign the poster will be an expert in non-violent resistance. Presumably he's also a big fan of Luther Martin King.

The Judith Butler piece in the LRB is getting hammered but I haven't read it.

The stunning lack of urgency in this piece by Judith Butler—published as Gazans flee for their lives—is its own form of moral failure https://t.co/KUt0cF2wEY

— Tobi Haslett (@tobihaslett) October 14, 2023

Butler's an academic so i'm not sure what's expected of them here

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n20/judith-butler/the-compass-of-mourning

I can understand people having issues with the tone and emphases and I do get it - JB does sometimes infuriate me with their constant hedging and nuancing of everything - the piece didn't offend me and has some good points but I'm not in the firing line and those who are can feel however they want about it

Agreed on the tone and emphases but none of the criticism I've seen could be categorized as coming from those in the firing line.

Sheeee a real queeen😮‍💨😮‍💨 pic.twitter.com/f380LneokZ

— free palestine 🇵🇸 (@farah4rk) October 14, 2023

This threads collates demonstrations across the US.

[Thread] Massive pro-Palestine demonstrations across the United States.

The media isn't giving them enough attention, so here is a roundup:

1) Chicago: 15,000 protestors shut down the streets.pic.twitter.com/H7ADbVm0qs

— Alan MacLeod (@AlanRMacLeod) October 15, 2023

A very notable shift in messaging that makes me suspect the intelligence coming out of Gaza indicates things are much worse than the public currently knows https://t.co/zL5TXfzVQN

— steven monacelli is posting 🆓 (@stevanzetti) October 15, 2023

National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan tells @jaketapper that his Israeli counterparts informed him in the last hour that they have turned the water pipes back on in southern Gaza.

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) October 15, 2023

https://www.semafor.com/article/10/13/2023/inside-msnbcs-middle-east-conflict

when I got to the diversity and inclusion workshop bit I just

I don't know much about Mehdi Hasan other than he's an Asian Brit who is semi-famous in the US. But his posting on the conflict seems spot on, taking him off air seems ridiculous and quite racist really.

More on the water situation.

I am from Gaza and I am telling you this is a JOKE.

Israel destroyed many water pipes.

Also, without electricity we can NOT turn on the water pumps.

Water in Gaza does not simply run into the taps. We have to fill water tanks about twice a week. https://t.co/yu7iyPsTOc

— Refaat🇵🇸 (@itranslate123) October 15, 2023

I don't know much about Mehdi Hasan other than he's an Asian Brit who is semi-famous in the US. But his posting on the conflict seems spot on, taking him off air seems ridiculous and quite racist really.

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino

Medhi Hasan has for some time been MSNBC's most essential on-air person.

I can understand people having issues with the tone and emphases and I do get it - JB does sometimes infuriate me with their constant hedging and nuancing of everything - the piece didn't offend me and has some good points but I'm not in the firing line and those who are can feel however they want about it

― Left, Sunday, October 15, 2023 6:17 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I thought at first this was about Joe Biden and I was nodding my head sagely

Hasan and the others weren't removed from the air entirely, just their anchor slots, which makes it even weirder

xxp
I've seen him interviewing that insufferable jabbering lunatic, the Asian MAGA republican one whose name I can't remember, but fucking hell what a basketcase he was. Mehdi seemed razor sharp and wasn't brooking any bullshit from this clown.

Really good post, very interesting on the breakdown between civilian and police/army deaths, and the implications going forward for the fight against the colonialist West.

This is my analysis I shared with friends on WhatsApp on what happened last weekend, it's significance and why there's so much focus & disinformation on Israeli civilian casualties, but very little on Israeli military losses in the Western media pic.twitter.com/9Ga8KmzB5q

— Fílos of Hippos (@HolyLandRed1) October 14, 2023

Medhi Hasan has for some time been MSNBC's most essential on-air person.

Otm. When challenging interviewees Hasan does so without qualification, whereas the Chris Hayes of the world will be more like, "Well some would argue that..."

And I do appreciate a lot of what Hayes brings to the table, esp. on his podcast.

I was about to say: among the white guys Chris Hayes is by far the best critical thinker, but I can sense when he hangs fire and lets Hasan, etc. do the talking for him (strategy, etc).

"We are going to barbarism if we do not change power. The life of humanity, and especially of the people of the south, depends on the way in which humanity chooses the path to overcome the climate crisis produced by the wealth of the north. Gaza is just the first experiment in considering us all disposable."

La barbarie del consumo basado en la muerte de los demás nos lleva a un ascenso del fascismo sin precedente, y por tanto, a la muerte de la democracia y la libertad. Es la barbarie, o el 1933 global, como la llamo. 1933 fue año donde ascendió Hitler al poder.

Lo que vemos en…

— Gustavo Petro (@petrogustavo) October 15, 2023

Bien dicho.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-was-hamas-thinking

this is remarkable

We asked Abu Marzouk if this bloody assault had achieved anything, aside from incurring devastating Israeli reprisals. “This is the first time that the Palestinians are crossing the borders and fighting in their historic land,” he insisted. “Israel used to wage war against us outside its borders, to kill us and imprison us. Now it’s the opposite. Now the future Israeli generations will know they can’t continue to occupy the Palestinians—they can’t continue their wars forever.” He added, “This is the biggest achievement.”

I picked out the same final paragraph to quote but you beat me to it. Its inclusion slyly allows multiple readings, but it would appear to apply far more to Israel than Hamas, which hasn't a prayer of imposing its will through violence.

Oops! The final paragraph:

More than twenty-five years ago, the New Yorker writer Mary Anne Weaver visited Abu Marzouk [current Hamas political leader] at the Metropolitan Correctional Center. He told her, “If you read history, you know that violence only breeds violence: imposing your will through muscle, through force, is no solution.” He added, “You’ve got to compromise; you’ve got to understand each other. If you use muscle alone, perhaps you’re a temporary winner, but in the long run you are a loser.”

Yeah I picked the penultimate para as a summation here. You'd think this fascist Israeli government could ultimately protect its people by occupation and keeping an open air prison. It could not do it.

something tells me we won’t be hearing a lot from that guy in the future

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/us/muslim-boy-stabbed-landlord-chicago.html

wtf is going on in this world

One thing Mao got right.

was about to say: among the white guys Chris Hayes is by far the best critical thinker, but I can sense when he hangs fire and lets Hasan, etc. do the talking for him (strategy, etc).

― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, October 15, 2023 4:23 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah, Sam Seder has said that Hayes brings him on the show to make points that Hayes can’t make himself

guy who stabbed that kid to death looks like a complete nutter, going to guess they're going to push for an insanity defense or dementia or something.

Biden says Hamas must be eliminated entirely, but 'there must be a path to a Palestinian state' https://t.co/LQjLaHUQyQ

— CNBC (@CNBC) October 16, 2023

*has been

it isn't really any different to the usual completely empty american support for a two-state solution. he even qualified it with something about how he didn't expect israel would take action there immediately or anything.

guy who stabbed that kid to death looks like a complete nutter

the fact that the photo of him on BBC still showing blood on his face is fucked up, if the even wasn't upsetting enough.

he even qualified it with something about how he didn't expect israel would take action there immediately or anything.

no worries if not

xp to self, *event

I've had a recommendation/request that, since this thread is several thousand posts long and Israel has entered a new phase of telling the world to suck it, this thread be locked and a new one started.

Agreed. Let's start sucking some more.

Can see the suction being out of sync if it gets too long. Israel having to up degree by which they suck accordingly.

https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1713918251955032122?s=20

This is @GhassanAbuSitt1, a surgeon who is currently saving the lives of Palestinians in a hospital in Gaza. He's just reported that counter terrorism police have showed up at his house in the UK and harrased his family.pic.twitter.com/GOvl5aQLHG https://t.co/bugmmZPAMM

— Saul Staniforth (@SaulStaniforth) October 16, 2023