have you quit the labour party yet?

Reeves' got the Mark Carney endorsement, well of course he'd approve of a soulless, colourless, dreary, detestable fiscal hawk with a boring monotone voice.

Despite myself I find myself getting pulled in by promises of municipal devolution

does this look like a party comfortable with ceding power from the centre?

On a side note it's a very grim thought but some of these ghouls will be absolutely frantic that the horror in Gaza is taking focus from their conference

does this look like a party comfortable with ceding power from the centre?

yeah this is the part of the night out when everybody's just sat down looking at the menu and anything seems possible. will be a v different story once orders have been placed and people start doing sums in their head

I guess there might be forms of devolved power that allow the leader's office to ensure all Labour mayors or whatever are Stepford Centrists. Maybe this is actually a way of threatening to rein in the dangerous loose cannon Trots like...checks notes...Burnham and Khan

yeah

like yes you can have your libraries and one swimming pool as long as you take our shortlist

hi i just want to get in on the ground floor of the "fake protestor" conspiracy theory

He could have at least poured a bucket of pig's blood over Kieth and denounced him as a fraudulent right-wing scumbag. If he was real then 0/10 ... ohh I want a Citizen's Assembly and PR so we can have more of a chance of the other parties doing the Tory policies.

"If he thinks that bothers me he doesn't know me," says a cool Starmer with glitter on his shirt and jacked off.

Starmer wants power not protest, he says.

— Kevin Maguire (@Kevin_Maguire) October 10, 2023

*makes jacket off motion*

he jacked off at Lab conf? mind that won't be a first.

hearing reports that the video of Kieth jacking off is a deepfake

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lol

The fact that Starmer keeps mentioning the Union shows he's making a concerted effort to steal the Loyalist bigot vote in Scotland from the Tories.

Inevitably keith's arc gonna end with him emulating brass eye's wanking senator

https://media.tenor.com/IYiD-6M6etMAAAAM/dirty-old-man-you-dirty-old-man.gif

Conspiracy theory falls down because Starmer looks like he's shitting himself - over some posh boy with some glitter in his hand.

On a serious note, how the fuck did that guy to the stage without the intervention of hired goons?

Keir Starmer's conference speech "best in 20 years" | Lord Mandleson

"he's passionate ... he demonstrates huge conviction"

Starmer joins the friends of Peter Mandleson with a huge conviction

Conversation at work this morning.

Colleague #1: "I see Keir Starmer got covered in glitter yesterday".
Colleague #2: "Who? Who's that?"

This could guy could still have been a plant, they just didn't tell Starmer cos he's stupid and everyone hates him

True.

It's great how the hacks tried to spin this as "cool in the face of an evil protestor" and then you see the footage and he"s literally frozen in fear

“I think that Israel does have that right.”

Sir Keir Starmer tells @NickFerrariLBC that it is acceptable for Israel to withhold power and water from citizens in Gaza. pic.twitter.com/S1L5nftyG5

— LBC (@LBC) October 11, 2023

Even by his standards, this is pretty remarkable.

He’s clearly been primed to just say ‘Israel has the right to defend herself and Hamas must bear primary responsibility’ as many times as possible. When asked about something he knows perfectly well is illegal under any circumstances, he starts down the same road, then tries to insert a caveat, before going back to saying the line again.

a human rights lawyer basically saying nah fuck the Geneva Conventions because that is what towing the party line requires.

... the party line of the right wing press.

it's all good he's not acting as a lawyer so he can just say whatever he likes and we shouldn't assume this will reflect his attitude to international law if he was to become prime minister

plus he's backed by Labour members with an absolutely unblemished record of respecting international law

yesterday Lammy pulled out of a public event to avoid sharing a platform with the Palestinian ambassador who was falsely accused of saying "Israel had it coming" by the loathsome liar, Kay Burley. The same ambassador lost 6 members of his family in the Gaza reprisals. He is way too thoughtful and guarded to say anything as inflammatory as that, it was a total stitch up.

journalists for self-proclaimed liberal publications are blithely repeating uncorroborated Israeli government propaganda thru all available channels, good to be reminded how the system works

Kay Burley spent most of yesterday being snippy with people on social media, it’s a wonder she finds time to broadcast!

See also: the Owen Jones/Margaret Hodge stramash on Sophy Ridge last night, notable for OJ being quite respectful but MH all over the place with ad hominem attacks.

she doesn't engage with any criticism of her gutter level Murdoch journalism, just does childish "I'm more famous than you" retorts or even worse - her troubling aubergine emojis!

On top of all that she is incredibly stupid.

Sadness in her eyes

This guy has massive power over candidate selection and the general direction of the labour party now, doesn't he

Maybe a bit less wild hyperbole would be the responsible way to react. https://t.co/dqR41Ntf1j

— Luke Akehurst (@lukeakehurst) October 13, 2023

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I'm astonished that having seen Hamas do what it has always wanted to do to Israelis on Saturday people can't see that the terrorist threat was the reason for the restrictions on Gaza's borders not vice versa.

cool plan bro

I do wonder how long they can maintain the position that Israel is abiding by international law because Netanyahu told Biden that they would.

None of them believe it. Victoria Derbyshire, of all people, could barely contain her contempt for Thornberry’s prevarication. Alicia Kearns, the Tory Chair of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee has been pretty clear that Israel is acting illegally. I don’t think the public has ever been particularly pro-Israel, in general terms, but every bombed convoy of refugees is going to make unqualified support for Israel less popular.

However useful it is as a tool to discipline and alienate ‘the left’, there surely has to be a tipping point where it’s just not sustainable.

I read something relatively recently regarding a Labour minister at the start of the Iraq war, flitting between "We must stop Iraq from developing WMDs" and "We must stop Iraq from using its WMDs" interchangeably, and who then became angry at the interviewer saying it was logically impossible for both of these things to be true and that he should decide which formation he was going to do with. The piece said the minister (Straw?) became angry and said it was irrelevant, which I find striking, mainly because I have no real idea if he thought they were the same or not, or even if he thought anything at all

I think you're right in the public not being particularly pro-Israel, and for the most part support that exists is conditional not unconditional and maybe one notch up from lukewarm. At large UK public still kind of depoliticised on Palestine/Israel, and some of the gung-ho rhetoric seems designed to try and change that. I guess on the Labour side fear of looking weak traps them in a way more than the conservatives who in theory at least have more room for manoeuvre

Fear of being accused of antisemitism more than fear of being weak.

Probably a mixture of the two, though I wonder if the former is something just internalised now, even past when its no longer really needed (I'm still not that convinced that ever really resonated with the public even with all the hard work that was put into it)

In their desperation to destroy Corbyn and Corbynism they painted themselves into a corner by ramping up the antisemitism thing, now it can be used against them at any time and it will be.

I get that, but I think the main reason it had any success was that they were the ones doing it. Even then I'd say the success it had wasn't resounding. So while it could be used against them, unless they go along with it and also do it, I think its results will be limited. That being said, the fear of it happening is probably real and internalised.

But this feels closer to the gung-ho advocacy for Iraq than it does anything to do with that, I'm not sure the public is sufficiently politicised over this either though, these things need groundwork

Oh yeah, it's definitely reminiscent of Blair and Iraq/War on Terror.

In their desperation to destroy Corbyn and Corbynism they painted themselves into a corner by ramping up the antisemitism thing, now it can be used against them at any time and it will be.

― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 October 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Sure, but I think potential AS accusations have cornered much of the West. 'Holocaust-guilt' shuts down any conversation whatsoever.

seeing both Thornberry and Starmer getting caught flat-footed in the last few days has been amusing to watch because they clearly weren't prepared for even the mildest scrutiny. They got too used to being on easy street with the UK media playing along when the agenda was to completely finish off what remained of Corbyn in the party. It's not really a lot but I hate this party so much these days, seeing these frauds looking out of their comfort zone and quite exposed in a tv studio is about as much entertainment as I can get from UK politics.

Sure, but I think potential AS accusations have cornered much of the West. 'Holocaust-guilt' shuts down any conversation whatsoever.

In the US I can see that, not so sure about the UK and elsewhere though. Politicians are unconditional ride or die for Israel, sure, but I don't see much evidence that the public is. There's a disconnect on this, I don't think the politicisation is there.

It's never been anything like as bad in the UK as it is now, not really suprising given the hysteria over Corbyn.