Israel to World: "Suck It."

This is something to look out for.

on the 'don't waste a good crisis' principle, wonder if/when the israeli government starts blaming the constitutional protest movement for weakening the state in the face of Hamas terrorism etc etc

— jamie k (@jkbloodtreasure) October 7, 2023

Be surprised if they didn't tbh.

Seems incredibly bad!

Israel was in talks to normalize relations with Saudi Arabia. This is Iran seeking to disrupt that.

Seems like a nation-scale version of suicide by cop, honestly. A huge mistake, whoever's behind it.

I think the two things could both be true. It’s catastrophic and awful in any case.

yeah palestinians are going to get utterly slaughtered as a result of this. what a shitshow.

Like this is so incredibly miserable my brane goes full conspiracy mode. Is iran trying to get into a shooting war w israel to draw the US/NATO into direct defense of israel and then direct conflict w/ iran+russia?

Seems like a nation-scale version of suicide by cop, honestly. A huge mistake, whoever's behind it.

― read-only (unperson), Saturday, 7 October 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Maybe that's just me but some people don't want to live their lives in a concentration camp.

Like this is so incredibly miserable my brane goes full conspiracy mode. Is iran trying to get into a shooting war w israel to draw the US/NATO into direct defense of israel and then direct conflict w/ iran+russia?

― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, October 7, 2023 11:55 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don’t think we need to go as far. Gazans were protesting Hamas like never before this past year. Plus, everything is leading towards Saudi Arabia recognising Israel in the near future which would be the end of the one Palestinian state dream extremists like Hamas want.

a lot of people want one state

Let’s hope no one gets it.

I'm glad you've come around to the abolition of the nation state but in the meantime I would still prefer a secular non-apartheid state over constant bloodletting or genocide

it didn't take long for israel to overtake hamas's death toll - at least 232 people now killed by retaliatory air strikes in gaza (according to al jazeera)

Talking about geopolitics and moralising is colonizer behaviour when this is the reality

reminder that i*rael controls all the food that enters gaza thus keeping gazans on a starvation diet; unemployment is roughly 70%; around 50,000 people are disabled - many deliberately maimed by the occupying forces in their 'shoot to maim' policies. no bomb shelters. no escape.

— mira | ميرا (@_her_moth_) October 7, 2023

Hamas shouldn’t have looted the greenhouses imo.

oh fuck off

stop pretending to care about people

fuck off VHS

Hamas shouldn’t have looted the greenhouses imo.

― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 7 October 2023 bookmarkflaglink

If you're expecting the media to cover this uprising fairly, only a few days ago the Guardian described those rising up as "receiving bullets" in their bodies. 🙃🇵🇸 pic.twitter.com/Ku3pYKTlLj

— Alan MacLeod (@AlanRMacLeod) October 7, 2023

You realise the blockade is in place because of Hamas right? That it would be over if the authority of Gaza wanted peace?

catch a rocket

imagine if there was a way to end VHS's illegal occupation of this thread

Weirdo hasn't posted in months and is now thinking he has a point like we don't know about The Nakba

i don't know why someone hasn't explained this one weird trick for peace to the Gazans, it seems so simple.

Won't someone please think of the Greenhouses?!?!

FP and move on

i don't know why someone hasn't explained this one weird trick for peace to the Gazans, it seems so simple.

― JoeStork, Saturday, October 7, 2023 3:36 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Gazans don’t want Hamas.

FP and move on

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 7 October 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Way ahead of you. Everyone here please do this.

Pretty good thread on 1973 as a read on the present moment.

There are obvious parallels between the current attack and the 1973 war. In both cases, Arab leaders had reached out to Israeli leadership, and were rebuffed. Sadat to Golda's government, and Sinwar to Netanyahu (he even sent him a note in Hebrew)
1/

— Yair Wallach (@YairWallach) October 7, 2023

It's probably best not to be drawn into vacuum of good faith that is Israel's 'objections' to Hama's, given the key role Israel has played in securing Hamas' position in the Palestinian political consensus.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html

It's extraordinary to me, the extent to which it always seems possible to find an excuse (boycott, peaceful protest, prayer) to justify further escalations of the quotation barbarism visited on the people of Palestine.

I'm horrified by the violence visited on civilian populations in Israel and Palestine but it's obvious who has borne the brunt of this violence and it's also obvious that the only way to end it is to end the relentless and illegal dispossession experienced by the Palestinians. That is, there is a simpler solution readily available to Israel, which is not offering bad faith ultimatums.

otm

US mideast policy is now so firmly bound and chained to Israel and Israel's domestic policy is now so firmly committed to endless land grabs for new settlements, water grabs, violent repression and reprisals, that it feels impossible to envision any peace offers coming from those sources that don't amount to forcing the Palestinians to ratify those genocidal policies in return for essentially nothing but their right to continued existence. But when they resist they are told they are totally justifying those genocidal policies against them.

plaxico otm

This is Bibi’s Gulf of Tonkin moment. He wanted it to happen so he can enact his own Final Solution for Palestinians. An absolute fucking monster

Thanks for that piece Plax

This Gazan analyst (close to Hamas) predicted with 100% accuracy 5 years ago what would happen if Israel doesn't lift its blockade.

Fayez Abu Shamala - Sep 17, 2018 pic.twitter.com/BeuTARZlIu

— Muhammad Shehada (@muhammadshehad2) October 7, 2023

Do we have much of an idea of how (or if) this affects the ongoing normalising/thawing of Saudi/Israel relations (and to a lesser extent relations with Morocco and UAE)?

I've also read this would have taken some degree of external support (no idea if true or not, not read much on it yet much less processed)

VHS-style politics going well over at the other place.

I must confess I perhaps don't possess the breadth of historical knowledge to justify that rather sweeping statement.. but I don't believe it was the armed struggle that defeated apartheid in South Africa..

— Justin Schlosberg (@jrschlosberg) October 7, 2023

Hospital ventilators, heart rate monitors, dialysis machines – thousands of people will die as a result of this power cut. Tell me how this is any different to Palestinians murdering Israeli civilians. https://t.co/La0aSoW4Hm

— Rivkah Brown (@rivkahbrown) October 7, 2023

she was the one who was saying it was a day to celebrate, right?

Here is the clarification of the tweet:

To those accusing me of condoning rape and other atrocities: obviously I am not. I'm celebrating Palestinian armed resistance. I don't condone every act taken by that resistance, just as I wouldn't every act of eg the Ukrainian military (especially given its neo-Nazi battalions). https://t.co/uHF7VFfKbG

— Rivkah Brown (@rivkahbrown) October 8, 2023

right. I guess I can't share the optimism that this will advance the struggle for freedom or end Israeli control. hundreds of innocents have died this weekend and a lot more bloodshed is coming.

that community notes "context" is deeply stupid, of course

This will not change the status quo and even will just reinforce it, at the expense (again) of Palestinians.

However, so far Saudi Arabia seems to be more neutral than usual which bodes well if you care for a peaceful two states solution.

hard to understand these actions just when peaceful protest was really getting results

Harry Cole (the political editor of The Sun, also an actual cuckold bc Carrie Symonds left him for her now-husband, Boris Johnson) has been instigating a pile-on against Rivkah, telling people to report her to Prevent (the police’s anti-terror org).

right. I guess I can't share the optimism that this will advance the struggle for freedom or end Israeli control. hundreds of innocents have died this weekend and a lot more bloodshed is coming.

that community notes "context" is deeply stupid, of course

― symsymsym, Sunday, 8 October 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Didn't get any optimism from Rivkah. And I reckon she knows many Palestinians will die.

There will never be security for Israelis.

We talk about "normalization" with the UAE and now Saudi Arabia, while hoping the world will turn a blind eye to the open-air prison we built in our backyard. Apart from the unfathomable violation of human rights, we've created a massive security liability for our own citizens.

— Breaking the Silence (@BtSIsrael) October 8, 2023

Statement from left-wing Israeli Knesset member, @ofercass. pic.twitter.com/c8hASAJ4BD

— Waleed Shahid 🪬 (@_waleedshahid) October 8, 2023

Very good interview on CNN

very surprised that this interview laying out a palestinian view is on @cnn — and almost no pushback. views on israel's occupation are shifting. that's pretty clear. https://t.co/PzzDflXAL3

— Yasha Levine (@yashalevine) October 8, 2023