David Goyer adapting Asimov's Foundation books for Apple+ (Previously: Jonathan Nolan adapting Asimov's Foundation books for HBO)

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they took a few ideas from the books (psychohistory, crises, mentalics, Foundation spreading influence through different ways like religion and trade) and character names and basically made up a brand new story/characters from it. the best thing by far about the books is the ideas, not Asimov's writing or characters or stories, so they're taking the right approach. loved season 2 btw, might be my favorite show running now

Vinnie, Friday, 6 October 2023 22:19 (six months ago) link

Yeah by essentially leaning into space opera more than the actual stories did (and matching that with some really impressive sense of design and how technology could work), they cracked a code very well.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 October 2023 23:24 (six months ago) link

Speaking of space opera, that last episode battle reminded me a lot of that uh more popular space opera

Vinnie, Saturday, 7 October 2023 01:51 (six months ago) link

i kinda disagree - some of the "best ideas" of the books seem like they were imported without retaining the most interesting parts. the Mule, for instance (though i am certain there's a "twist" planned there, i love the way Asimov chose to tell his story: as a kid i was genuinely flabbergasted by it.) or Seldon's simulacrum; I always thought there was a profound lesson in the programmed piece of software that increasingly grows out of sync with reality. best laid plans...

but then i'm among that minority that despises the slow shift of all television into action film

sean gramophone, Saturday, 7 October 2023 13:02 (six months ago) link

No I actually agree with you re: the Mule and was a little disappointed myself. Not every change they've made has been for the better, certainly.
But they've taken a different introduction to the Mule and I'll stay open to what they do with that story. In general, I think the books get better as they go and could be adapted to TV with less changes, but they've committed to the remix approach that lets them keep some actors/locations from season to season, which is its own thing and might have been necessary from a budget or sellability standpoint

While we're on the subject, another change I'm not crazy about is Seldon's direct involvement in so many events, the "thumb on the scale" as they describe it, which imo goes against the spirit of psychohistory. May have preferred them to give Seldon a reduced role as he has in the books if Jared Harris wasn't such a captivating actor

Vinnie, Saturday, 7 October 2023 14:07 (six months ago) link

Heh I think we're saying the same thing about Seldon

Vinnie, Saturday, 7 October 2023 14:08 (six months ago) link

ya - they were right to draw out the theme of the books of whether history is a story of individual actors or of movements, but mostly that theme feels like lip-service: by focusing so much on Seldon, Salvor, Day, etc, it kind of eliminates the question. it's boring imo to experience history as the psychodrama of a few immortal action heroes.

sean gramophone, Saturday, 7 October 2023 15:24 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Nice interview with Goyer on the season

https://decider.com/2023/10/25/foundation-david-s-goyer-interview/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 October 2023 02:18 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

I’d have been extremely irritated if they didn’t!

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 20:29 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

We got Preem Palver

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2024 13:35 (two months ago) link

Meantime, hmm, but guess we'll see what results.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/foundation-david-s-goyer-steps-down-showrunner-season-3-1235834630/

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 February 2024 17:11 (two months ago) link

This is the part that I'm actually concerned about the most: given the general excellence of the visual effects in combination with the design, it would hurt if that was cut back some.

Sources say Goyer and executives at the show’s production company, Skydance, clashed over the budget for the upcoming season. TV budgets are under scrutiny across the industry as streamers right-size their slates with an eye toward boosting profitability.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 February 2024 17:12 (two months ago) link

Yeah losing Goyer as well as budget is a pretty bad sign. Visual effects are a big part of the show's appeal

Vinnie, Sunday, 25 February 2024 20:25 (two months ago) link


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