Alice Coltrane - S/D

awesome! My eldest is a big fan of both, this will blow her mind

I had this album framed on my wall for a while. It looks so good

xps am I allowed to call this pairing AC/DC?

ahem https://theheatwarps.com/2023/10/30/coltrane-santana-1974/

!!!

whoa I was just listening to that LP yesterday!

interesting

Wow. Definitely gonna dive into both of those this weekend, though the live recording is the bigger draw for me.

My first guess at a drummer for the live stuff would be Ben Riley, who was on Lord of Lords and Eternity, which were released before and after that concert, respectively.

loving the stripped down vibes

Bliss: The Eternal Now version 3 (alt take) is great

accidentally put it on repeat and I say it was stuck there for a good half hour, bliss bliss eternal now

also getting strong star wars theme vibes which i guess rules

i'm not high

but i feel high

Holy shit — her 1971 Carnegie Hall concert (with Pharoah Sanders, Archie Shepp, Jimmy Garrison, Cecil McBee, Ed Blackwell, Clifford Jarvis, Kumar Kramer, and Tulsi Reynolds) is being released by Impulse! in March. There's a pre-order link for vinyl, but not for a CD version yet that I can find...

!!

I hope there is a CD version coming, would absolutely grab that in a heartbeat. Be a nice upgrade from the Hi Hat release with just "Africa".

i can't figure out how to link directly to the preview track/video, but there's a very excellent 15 minute version of shiva-loka here halfway down the page here:

https://pitchfork.com/news/alice-coltrane-1971-carnegie-hall-concert-set-for-release/

pretty cool — always wondered if there was more of that show. I guess so!

Impulse usually does CDs, would be surprised if they didn't for this one, too.

Yeah, I'm sure they will, it just hasn't popped up on their webstore yet for some reason.

oh hell yeah

great, now do berkley '72

berkEley

the way things have been going, i wouldn't be surprised if they were like, "We've finally restored this concert to its original version, where a technical error muted Pharoah Sanders's microphone, rendering him inaudible for the entire concert!"

I just got the press release from the label, and the two long essays that are gonna be included in the package. Here are the track running times:

Alice Coltrane
The Carnegie Hall Concert
Journey In Satchidananda 15:02
Shiva-Loka 14:40
Africa 28:09
Leo 21:34

Total running time 79:25

aw yeah ... that's a pretty major addition to the live AC oeuvre

Excitement!

kind of wild that this was a triple bill with Laura Nyro and The Rascals (though Alice did guest on a Rascals record right around this time!)

According to the liner notes it's because the concert was a benefit for the Swami, and Alice, Laura Nyro, and Felix Cavalieri were all devotees.

Total running time 79:25

ok now we're talking

Rocking "Sivaya" on this mild morning

Fwiw, Amazon has a pre-order for both vinyl and CD, so they're both indeed coming.

the way things have been going, i wouldn't be surprised if they were like, "We've finally restored this concert to its original version, where a technical error muted Pharoah Sanders's microphone, rendering him inaudible for the entire concert!"

― budo jeru, Wednesday, February 7, 2024 6:58 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

say more about this, is there a collective will to sand the skronkier edges off alice?

I think he's referring to the altered release of Turiya Sings?

Pre-orders are up; black vinyl, orange vinyl and a 2CD set. I got the press download last night; it sounds amazing so far. Bought the 2CD set.

xp yup

I figured this was going to be good but it is good

Very excited to get my copy, glad to upgrade that grey market bootleg with only a part of the set. So the Aquarium Drunkard review isn't just hyperbole?

Had The Carnegie Hall Concert been released in 1971 when it was originally commissioned and recorded by Impulse as a double live LP, it would undoubtedly rank among the all-time holy grails of live jazz, no, live music, period.

I mean this all-time holy grails of live jazz, no, live music, period is a bit of a high bar but a few moments on here on genuinely stunning

Haha, I figured that might be a stretch, but I am just thrilled this exists now.

it's blowing my mind imagining how mind blowing it must have been being in the audience for this. the sound quality of the recording is way better than the clips i had heard alluded to. really stunning!

It's really, really good. Waiting for my CD copy to arrive.

I wonder if it was sourced from a reference master or something because there are some moments of crunchy static and some weirdness where the applause between certain songs seems looped? Maybe the promotional WAV files I was sent were wonky, I don't know. But on a purely musical level, yeah, it's top-tier Alice.

Yeah, I read in one of the reviews that there was weird looping in the crowd sounds between songs, like they were trying to cover for some other audio glitch or something. But, whatever, if weird applause between songs is the worst things about this release, we are truly blessed.

I haven't done a really close listen yet but as far as I could tell there were only the weird, static-y audio issues during the interstitial crowd noise

Listening now, and wow.

… and yeah, the applause sounds - weird.

The applause sounds very far away but that adds something to the atmosphere

the applause is being picked up by the on stage mics rather than there being a mic recording the audience sound too.

what a great recording

re:

Had The Carnegie Hall Concert been released in 1971 when it was originally commissioned and recorded by Impulse as a double live LP, it would undoubtedly rank among the all-time holy grails of live jazz, no, live music, period.

what was the initial reception of Journey in Satchidananda like? I've a feeling it wasn't an instant classic, or maybe just that "spiritual jazz" wasn't as popular then (when fusion must've been all the rage) as it is now

I love the very no nonsense liners by Ed Michel, he's very frank that the label heads didn't think much of AC's music, were only interested in her in so far as she controlled the on the label the John Coltrane estate and that even though the recording was inexpensive to do and the quality was good and AC, Sanders, and Shepp were all on the label they weren't interested in doing a live record (though sounds like they were briefly interested when she signed with Warners 'natch)

I can't speak to what the reaction was at the time and I am sure it has been mentioned upthread but the AC re-evaluation is pretty recent, even in the early 90s when I was getting into jazz she was considered a joke, lots of Yoko Ono jokes, that sort of thing

Yeah, the dude gatekeeper aficionadoes of so many scenes are colossal assholes by nature.

misogyny is a powerful drug!
the scorn heaped on women musicians really piled up in the cursed early 90s
imo/ime

Also Michel's story about his run-in with a union stagehand is straight out of Zappa's "Rudy Wants to Buy Yez a Drink"