Taking Sides: Genesis 1970-1977 Vs. Genesis 1978-91

The studio cut of Afterglow was a bit of a disappointment after being familiar with the 3SL take, although these days I reckon the performance fom the VHS might be superior.

Hard agree - also it really benefits from following that intense medley of old proggy stuff, this balming ballad to send the longhairs off into the night.

Looking at the tracklisting on wiki, interesting that FYFM comes from a show 18 months or so earlier than the rest of the main 3 sides - I wonder if they'd junked it from the set by the time they were touring Abacab?

Also, considering this was an album I played incessantly when I was 11 or so (became a Genesis mega fan for a couple of years circa Invisible Touch), it's nutty to me that I knew almost every word of Vine and Samalcis, etc, off by heart but never had a clue (and still don't) what they're actually about. Maybe that's for the best.

the problem with that FYFM is the audience trying to clap along and not quite working out what beat to do it on. happens a few times on the Genesis live recordings I've heard!

Also, he hits a massive sour not near the start which I am pleased they left in

something I really appreciate about Phil is that he attempts to do all the vocal parts, even the ones that run close together and weren't really intended to do live. he's game for everything.

yeah I think most of the Afterglow live versions outshine the studio version, though I wish there was a live take of the entire suite (Unquiet Slumbers/Quiet Earth/Afterglow)

My main gripe with FYFM is that Phil has 200k followers on twitter and seriously he's only followed like 5 of them back. Not cool to cheat people like that Phil

How is ABBA doing on the "knowing me, knowing you" front?

XXP - I'm pretty sure they were doing that on the '77 tour? I should check back though my boots

My main gripe with FYFM is that Phil has 200k followers on twitter and seriously he's only followed like 5 of them back. Not cool to cheat people like that Phil

he can't even hold a drumstick but you want him to click on a mouse?

Shouldn't make promises you can't keep, that's all i'm saying

It's always the same, it's just a shame

Follow me/I won't/Follow you

There are some great quality bootlegs of the Duke tour on the genesis movement site. Listening to Sheffield as I type this and it's a beaut. Personally I'll take an FM quality recording of a single show over the more curated approach of a live album every time.

yeah as bad as the band have been re: tending to their own legacy and official releases, they have allowed that site to stay up with their blessing for years.

"Follow You, Follow Me" was a key Genesis song for me, because as a child of the '80s (born in the mid-'70s, but became a radio listener in the '80s), all I heard were the usual Genesis radio singles, basically from "Duke" onward. But classic rock and adjacent radio would also play "Follow You," which sent me back to the '70s stuff. Iirc "Follow You" was the only Genesis stuff from the '70s I ever heard on the radio.

Knebworth '78 is my go-to, such a great gig, but I think it's been released now, or partially? I was just thinking how well-served Genesis were on the bootleg front as well as numerous radio recordings.

imo FYFM is gorgeous and kickstarts a brilliant run of UK singles that last's until Illegal Alien.

lasts* (tf)

My main gripe with FYFM is that Phil has 200k followers on twitter and seriously he's only followed like 5 of them back.

I DM'd him once, but there was... no reply at all.

Must be some misunderstanding.

He’s more of a lurker

, that's all.

What he's waiting for, I don't know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_nwwUpsGFk

Definitely the right time of the year to revisit that album

wind & wuthering my autumnal genesis go-to though I still can't really tolerate the aggressive whimsy of All In A Mouse's Night and the shrillness of 11th Earl Of Mar

Agree about Mouse's Night but Earl of Mar is pretty moving imo

whole record might be a bit trebly tho, I listenedto it most on my teenage lo-fi gear

The essayist is kinda down on a lot of ATTW3 and I can maybe see his point (too much Banks, too ponderous/romantic), up until 1980 I think I would be more inclined to listen to live recordings and as Genesis Live was my proper first exposure to them as a nipper I've always looked through that prism.

For this period I've always really enjoyed listening to the Knebworth '78 recording, some of which is on that recent Box Set (although I think it incorrectly says 1980) the Friday Rock show rebroadcast it sometime in the mid-80s and my mate taped it for me on the shittest quality cassette, but it was a really good intro to some of those songs from the era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swxbAIgX2s

...and this is a nice radio recording of a full gig from Chicago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLnrlOPbzsk

I feel like when you see musicians in their 60s and especially in their 70s and up it can be a gamble on how well they’re able to play in relation to their younger peak ability…I saw Steve Hackett last night, though, and would say he’s still operating fully at 100% (maybe 110%) even at 74 years of age. He’s playing Foxtrot all the way through (he has been for a while now, it just hadn’t made it here) and it sounds immaculate. The guy that’s singing, Nad Sylvan, does a way better Peter Gabriel than I expected, and the musicianship is outstanding…the climax/last few minutes of Supper’s Ready actually brought a tear to my eye. This is all my roundabout way of saying that if you’re a fan of Foxtrot or Hackett-era Genesis he’s still well worth seeing, as I had my doubts on whether to go.

I have the same story, didn't really want to go either but a friend had a spare ticket so I figured what the hell. It was really great. I should've figured it would be since a guy like Hackett probably has his pick of whatever musicians he wants to work with so it's no surprise all of them were excellent. I had no idea that the bass player was going to be Jonas Reingold, or that the drummer was the guy from Frost*. But yeah Sylvan doing a near perfect Gabriel impression was what really drove it home. It was so good I was wondering if this was better than the actual Genesis shows of that era. I've heard Supper's Ready a thousand times, probably could go never hearing it again, but yeah seeing it live was really something. I mean I never thought I'd get a chance to see something like that. Sound was excellent too - one of the few shows I've been to where you could clearly hear everyone, though hilariously the one guy who did sometimes get drowned out was Steve himself, just like he was in Genesis :)

Friends of mine went and gave it rave reviews. Sorry I missed it, but budget outweighed my middling Genesis fandom.

Happy birthday to passive-aggressive fucker Tony Banks!

He really is the most amusing asshole if you're not actually in Genesis

Everything pinched and sour about UK upper-upper-middle-classes in one fairly talented pianist

seems like Mike R is underrated af as a bass player btw

He really is!

No Reply At All is such a sick bass part that for years people theorized it wasn't him, it was the iirc Earth Wind and Fire guy.

which is funny cuz verdine didn't always play in ew&f studio tracks.

mike/tony/phil never used studio dudes. they are a totally in-house operation. there's tons of footage of them working on albums and it's pretty amazing stuff to watch. mike is really a min blowing player.

Well, Stuermer has played live with Gen; he's definitely all over Phi's records. Do we know fo sho that he hasn't appeared recorded Genesis?

p sure yah!

they always had cams documenting the recordings and theres tons of vids like this on yt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgN325HVzQU

i've seen Hackett a few times and that is a great show, band is phenomenal and if you like his guitar you will get a whole shitload of it, and it will sound great.