have you quit the labour party yet?

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I feel like there are similarities in the UK with Japan's 1955 system but I don't know if the opposition party ever held a lead this big there in the polling

"no one" often enough does but that isn't an opposition party. there were similar gigantic opinion poll leads last time an opposition party won government in japan (2009) but they didn't take long to completely collapse in popularity once in government.

i guess the uk will end up there if there isn't some fascist opportunist (in the tories or otherwise) to take advantage of starmer being completely worthless as pm

ufo, Monday, 18 September 2023 09:51 (eight months ago) link

I meant more if the opposition had significant leads which they then lost, given the LDP winning 21 of 23 elections since 1955, 1993 and 2009 being outliers and short lived ones at that. Couldn't easily find historical polling data

anvil, Monday, 18 September 2023 09:59 (eight months ago) link

i really doubt it, managing to lose a polling lead like this would be very unusual anyway but if anyone can do it starmer's labour can

ufo, Monday, 18 September 2023 10:05 (eight months ago) link

a five-year hysteria to label corbyn as a racist and this is what they fucking replaced him with, jesus https://t.co/XHWGVmc5tv

— Gordon / rent controls fan account (@istreasatuatha) September 18, 2023

ydkb (gyac), Monday, 18 September 2023 10:12 (eight months ago) link

two weeks pass...

"I'm very happy to work with The Sun, to write for The Sun, to do interviews for The Sun..."

Ahead of his party's conference in Liverpool, Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer explains why he writes for a newspaper that's widely boycotted on Merseyside...@GranadaReports pic.twitter.com/HQ5dNJdWx6

— Andrew Misra (@MisraAndrew) October 5, 2023

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 5 October 2023 19:03 (seven months ago) link

all I can ever think of when I hear this guy talking is happy thoughts of someone smashing him in the chin with a lightning uppercut so ferocious that he takes flight for a few seconds.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Thursday, 5 October 2023 20:27 (seven months ago) link

“Labour [has ] sought to delay the civil trial until after the general election takes place.” https://t.co/vd84Soz5kJ

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) October 5, 2023

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 5 October 2023 21:04 (seven months ago) link

that's almost Trumpian really in it's naked cynicism to gain power to abuse power

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Thursday, 5 October 2023 22:39 (seven months ago) link

I have quit the Labour party (or at least stopped paying my subs more than a year ago) but for some reason I still received this email yesterday (NB I'm not Peter, this guy is just the first person I saw who screenshotted the email) (not pictured but the email also came with a bonus union jack emoji in the subject line)

this is quite simply the most abjectly embarrassing shit i have ever seen pic.twitter.com/bftcnd2smr

— Peter Mitchell (@pdkmitchell) October 8, 2023

soref, Monday, 9 October 2023 06:24 (seven months ago) link

Kind of relieved they didn't go with "Luv my country, 8 Islam, end of" as was presumably the first draft

not anti-Skibidi Toilet per se (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 9 October 2023 10:42 (seven months ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/09/i-will-never-leave-labour-but-my-new-membership-card-makes-me-uneasy

... there is nothing on God’s green earth that would make me leave. Nothing.

Zoe agrees with ILX.

The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Monday, 9 October 2023 16:12 (seven months ago) link

It's such an insane position to take, like if labour officially decided to become the party of eating children she'd still stay?

I see this kind of resigned attitude amongst lifers for football clubs or bad tv shows, couldn't imagine applying it to a political party.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 9 October 2023 16:20 (seven months ago) link

it's an identity thing, which is understandable if you're always gonna be comfortable enough for it not to matter whether your party of choice does anything other than win the occasional election

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 October 2023 16:25 (seven months ago) link

They should make her a special membership card that says “I hold no actual convictions I just really like rosettes”

Boris Yitsbin (wins), Monday, 9 October 2023 16:27 (seven months ago) link

Reeves giving her full support to Rishi"s smoking ban. I'm no great fan of ciggies but thought we were moving away from prohibition of substances, apparently we are not.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 07:57 (seven months ago) link

Whoever you vote for it's more cops.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 08:09 (seven months ago) link

Reeves' got the Mark Carney endorsement, well of course he'd approve of a soulless, colourless, dreary, detestable fiscal hawk with a boring monotone voice.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 08:21 (seven months ago) link

Despite myself I find myself getting pulled in by promises of municipal devolution

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 08:30 (seven months ago) link

does this look like a party comfortable with ceding power from the centre?

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 08:33 (seven months ago) link

On a side note it's a very grim thought but some of these ghouls will be absolutely frantic that the horror in Gaza is taking focus from their conference

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 08:35 (seven months ago) link

does this look like a party comfortable with ceding power from the centre?

yeah this is the part of the night out when everybody's just sat down looking at the menu and anything seems possible. will be a v different story once orders have been placed and people start doing sums in their head

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 08:37 (seven months ago) link

I guess there might be forms of devolved power that allow the leader's office to ensure all Labour mayors or whatever are Stepford Centrists. Maybe this is actually a way of threatening to rein in the dangerous loose cannon Trots like...checks notes...Burnham and Khan

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 08:42 (seven months ago) link

yeah

like yes you can have your libraries and one swimming pool as long as you take our shortlist

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 09:42 (seven months ago) link

hi i just want to get in on the ground floor of the "fake protestor" conspiracy theory

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 14:07 (seven months ago) link

He could have at least poured a bucket of pig's blood over Kieth and denounced him as a fraudulent right-wing scumbag. If he was real then 0/10 ... ohh I want a Citizen's Assembly and PR so we can have more of a chance of the other parties doing the Tory policies.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 15:13 (seven months ago) link

"If he thinks that bothers me he doesn't know me," says a cool Starmer with glitter on his shirt and jacked off.

Starmer wants power not protest, he says.

— Kevin Maguire (@Kevin_Maguire) October 10, 2023

ShariVari, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 15:21 (seven months ago) link

*makes jacket off motion*

glumdalclitch, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 15:22 (seven months ago) link

he jacked off at Lab conf? mind that won't be a first.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 15:24 (seven months ago) link

hearing reports that the video of Kieth jacking off is a deepfake

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 15:31 (seven months ago) link

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no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 17:58 (seven months ago) link

The fact that Starmer keeps mentioning the Union shows he's making a concerted effort to steal the Loyalist bigot vote in Scotland from the Tories.

The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 18:44 (seven months ago) link

Inevitably keith's arc gonna end with him emulating brass eye's wanking senator

not anti-Skibidi Toilet per se (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 19:10 (seven months ago) link

Conspiracy theory falls down because Starmer looks like he's shitting himself - over some posh boy with some glitter in his hand.

The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 07:17 (seven months ago) link

On a serious note, how the fuck did that guy to the stage without the intervention of hired goons?

steely flan (suzy), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 07:34 (seven months ago) link

Keir Starmer's conference speech "best in 20 years" | Lord Mandleson

"he's passionate ... he demonstrates huge conviction"

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 07:53 (seven months ago) link

Starmer joins the friends of Peter Mandleson with a huge conviction

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 08:01 (seven months ago) link

Conversation at work this morning.

Colleague #1: "I see Keir Starmer got covered in glitter yesterday".
Colleague #2: "Who? Who's that?"

The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 08:25 (seven months ago) link

This could guy could still have been a plant, they just didn't tell Starmer cos he's stupid and everyone hates him

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 08:44 (seven months ago) link

True.

The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 08:45 (seven months ago) link

It's great how the hacks tried to spin this as "cool in the face of an evil protestor" and then you see the footage and he"s literally frozen in fear

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 08:50 (seven months ago) link

“I think that Israel does have that right.”

Sir Keir Starmer tells @NickFerrariLBC that it is acceptable for Israel to withhold power and water from citizens in Gaza. pic.twitter.com/S1L5nftyG5

— LBC (@LBC) October 11, 2023

Even by his standards, this is pretty remarkable.

He’s clearly been primed to just say ‘Israel has the right to defend herself and Hamas must bear primary responsibility’ as many times as possible. When asked about something he knows perfectly well is illegal under any circumstances, he starts down the same road, then tries to insert a caveat, before going back to saying the line again.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 12:47 (seven months ago) link

a human rights lawyer basically saying nah fuck the Geneva Conventions because that is what towing the party line requires.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 12:53 (seven months ago) link

... the party line of the right wing press.

The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 12:55 (seven months ago) link

it's all good he's not acting as a lawyer so he can just say whatever he likes and we shouldn't assume this will reflect his attitude to international law if he was to become prime minister

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 12:58 (seven months ago) link

plus he's backed by Labour members with an absolutely unblemished record of respecting international law

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:00 (seven months ago) link

yesterday Lammy pulled out of a public event to avoid sharing a platform with the Palestinian ambassador who was falsely accused of saying "Israel had it coming" by the loathsome liar, Kay Burley. The same ambassador lost 6 members of his family in the Gaza reprisals. He is way too thoughtful and guarded to say anything as inflammatory as that, it was a total stitch up.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:06 (seven months ago) link

journalists for self-proclaimed liberal publications are blithely repeating uncorroborated Israeli government propaganda thru all available channels, good to be reminded how the system works

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:13 (seven months ago) link

Kay Burley spent most of yesterday being snippy with people on social media, it’s a wonder she finds time to broadcast!

See also: the Owen Jones/Margaret Hodge stramash on Sophy Ridge last night, notable for OJ being quite respectful but MH all over the place with ad hominem attacks.

steely flan (suzy), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:48 (seven months ago) link

she doesn't engage with any criticism of her gutter level Murdoch journalism, just does childish "I'm more famous than you" retorts or even worse - her troubling aubergine emojis!

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 14:05 (seven months ago) link


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