The Irish

before (?) that irish mafia even in comedy tho you had ed byrne and sean hughes and tommy tiernan and dylan moran all coming through

Evan Ferguson deciding to play for England would have been hilarious tbh.

Was hoping for a DMac contribution - thanx. I wondered about adding Second Captains - again that's a long rise thing? I have not heard many of Ken's politics pods, should check out the new IRA one.

I suppose I like Blindboy cos he self-consciously theorises a lot of this stuff. His recent pod about heritage vs emergent forms, making the parallel with Flann O'Brien, felt v suggestive to me.

I am more of Barry boy than a Rooneyite ofc, but feel like she and Stinging Fly were a tipping point. And I guess the abortion vote feels key in terms of young women Irish writers claiming a voice?

The only post-Tiger stuff I have seen has been by the likes of Fintan O'T, talking about about the loss of *cultural aspiration* since the crash. Was chatting with the Lankum lads in Phibsboro on Monday and they suggested, with some pushing from me, that there was maybe a new confident voice - a certain cultural cringe had been lost?

We discussed SF upthread if you scroll you’ll see the discussion there, I don’t think my views have changed much since then

And I guess the abortion vote feels key in terms of young women Irish writers claiming a voice?

I still think this conversation from here reflects most of my views

The Irish

Thanks gyac, apologies for any clumsy conflation/shorthand

Catherine Corless & Mary Robinson both hugely important ito being very different people who are hugely influential on the present shape of the country. Michael D as well.

Robinson was out there campaigning against the original 8th amendment and being shouted down on tv by cunts like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLWnoQjTNiw

Michael D Higgins lost his Dáil seat because he opposed the 8th. Both sit well to the left of anyone we have ever elected Taoiseach.

Catherine Corless deserves the highest honours this country has for her work uncovering the Tuam babies scandal, and for proving that official resistance through all the institutions is barely dimmed since the Mother and Baby days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTqIhIf5KQE

Thanks again. Interested in this ancien regime resistance - in the electoral system, would a prospective SF govt be allowed to carry out any reforms to housing, tax structures etc? Obvs as Corbyn voters we saw the full force of the <deep state> unleashed from the military, MI5, the media etc at the very idea of him becoming Labour leader, let alone getting anywhere near power. Would a prospective SF govt be similarly sabotaged?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Ireland

Irish Times probably the most important media piece in resistance to progress outside of certain limits constrained by capitalism.

I’ve just read Nigel Biggar’s British Empire apologism in the Irish Times and tbh laughter is probably the most appropriate response for now. This section in particular stands out. 1. It is called the Irish Literary *Revival* for a reason 2. What “renaissance of Irish language”? pic.twitter.com/NivUNzcw8q

— Liam Hogan (@Limerick1914) March 10, 2021

I mean this racist whitewash of a murderous ethno-nationalist movement is still live on the @IrishTimes website. pic.twitter.com/q7XniWAnW0

— Liam Hogan (@Limerick1914) August 8, 2019

Here is @IrishTimes journalist @rmcgreevy1301 casually offering to pay for @MaryLouMcDonald to take a selfie without makeup and asking whether she’s “been at the fake tan”. The Irish Times has been at it for years. pic.twitter.com/JcA1W3VcKX

— Paddy Cosgrave (@paddycosgrave) October 12, 2022

Jennifer O’Connell: Michael D Higgins’s blunt refusal of an invitation to an ecumenical service of reflection and hope marking a centenary of partition and the formation of Northern Ireland is no act of healing https://t.co/ARSS5Nlm5g

— The Irish Times (@IrishTimes) September 18, 2021

More than two-thirds of respondents back President’s decision not to attend NI centenary https://t.co/YT7hDfVNt3

— The Irish Times (@IrishTimes) October 8, 2021

as part of the deep state I'll have no further comment other than the answer to "are ministers and their advisors allowed do what they like?" being "no and while we won't get any thanks for that ye should be on yr fucking knees giving it nonetheless" and that's under any govt formation i could mentions

the structures in place that are preventing the housing solutions advancing are baked deep into the citizenship, community, social, capital and political models of the state and the extent to which any govt could advance radical solutions is demonstrated by the fact that FF/FG together cant even achieve the little (FG) would want to happen even with the past masters of "get it done its popular and who'll stop us" (FF) on board

Otm

obv thats a small point vs the entrenched resistance to all the laudable changes pushed through by the worthies gyac lists there

Church way less powerful than it was ofc but I never underestimate the infrastructure and influence that still exists

the question as to how a sf majority govt would get on with the rank and file or leaders of its own justice dept, gardai or army is a very interesting one, and imo it flows in both directions

this should go down as a classic https://t.co/a9cCToVOyg pic.twitter.com/Ty8DdDc9ed

— conn (@carryymeout) September 22, 2023

hello excuse me kind irlxors, i would like to bake an apple cake for one of your deoraí and was wondering -- fruit chunks in the cake or slices on the top? a touch of ginger & clove in the batter, or "mixed spice", or other? if i've no cow milk in, which should i substitute for the custard sauce: almond milk, coconut milk, mayonnaise?

im not aware that its a particularly irish delicacy but just my opinion:

chunks in batter and slices atop

couldnt go wrong with any combo of the spices listed imo

i would not substitute the cows milk soz

the internet keeps assuring me that "irish apple cake" is a legitimate phenomenon (tho the particulars remain a matter of some controversy) and the general concept sounds like something the fella in question would enjoy, but idk. is there a more irisher dessert or dish that is likely to lighten the heart of an expat? i suppose i could ask him directly but i want it to be a surprise

fair question

i think youre safe enough with this one im sure the internet can suggest a custard substitute my personal experience no help alas

If I think of that kind of thing, I think of apple tart or apple crumble, both big favourites in my house (not with me personally, not a fan, but 99% Irish people disagree). So something like this?

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/recipes/2016/1110/830148-molly-makes-apple-crumble/

Oh here you go, maybe this is the kind of thing you mean?

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/recipes/2023/0315/1363477-catherine-fulvios-irish-apple-cake-today/

Apple tart here: https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/recipes/2016/0318/775323-traditional-irish-apple-tart/

agree re apple tart being the thing

or a tea brack

oh what a gorgeous lot of choices, thank you both!!

Exactly the kind of mentality I mean when I hate on the diaspora

“Ashamed to be irish”
Look at the bio
It’s an American https://t.co/jKZ2BhpwLZ pic.twitter.com/Cr51AJ6DMq

— $1000 crab (join CATU) (@punchedmonet_) October 15, 2023

She gets mercilessly roasted in the replies.

Oh I’ve seen

muchas gracias y'all <3

i split the difference between tart & crumble with apple crumb bars and almond custard cream on the side

we're swimming in wonderfully sour little apples right now (it's fall, bears hongry, people gotta strip their fruit trees) so that was no problem but of course the rest devolved into the usual fiasco of "what there's no flour" "but i thought we had oats!" "where's the butter, okay, guess i'll use that gallon jug of coconut oil we bought at the start of the pandemic" etc. and ended up with an almond flour/puffed millet (why do we even have puffed millet) aberration.

but he was delighted and loved it and has implored me to make it again sometime! so i'm gonna chalk that up as another win for ireland, why not 🎉🇮🇪🎉

https://www.thephoenix.ie/article/israel-bloody-sunday-bono/

This story about the Israel propaganda machine totally misunderstanding how Bono is regarded at home is the closest to 'light relief' I've experienced in the escalating and unreal seeming (though unfortunately real) horrors unfolding on every tiny little screen that beeps and buzzes.

Bono looked emotional when dedicating U2 song ‘Pride’ to the victims of the massacre by Hamas at a music festival in Israel near the border with Gaza a fortnight ago. The IDF spin doctors must have assumed that getting a sympathetic Bono apparently on their side gave them an opening to a normally hostile audience in Ireland. Thus, the official IDF social media account shared a video of his comments before tweeting: “This is Israel’s Bloody Sunday.”

I know, the Bono thing was really badly researched. Have they missed the whole Zombie discourse?!

gauging the republic's national mood by reading Alec Baldwin tweets 🤡

I missed the Zombie thing because I despise rugby, but presume it's bad because it's another band with no lived experience of The Troubles expressing similar unhelpful bulshit to what the grandstanding moron Bongo frequently did on stage.

zombie is just a spoooooky halloween song thats all

'im going to eat your brains' (guitar solo)

popular in blackrock

Iirc it was about the both sidesing of the Troubles when the lyrics literally reference the tanks of the British army, as though the two were equivalently resourced and supported institutionally…but plax might remember better

xp I resent that as a former blackrock resident (for a year)

i think it's about seals honking

But yeah I guess I’m referring to partitionist thinking. I’m not sure I ever saw the “glorious” 7th & its effects on Irish in the north portrayed in something mainstream until Derry Girls did it. Like hey, the Irish in the north literally flee the place to avoid the supremacism, you’d think that might be a conversation point at some stage?!

Glorious 12th. I don’t know why I said 7th, except my cat bunted my phone as he wants to sit on my lap but I have coffee.

I don’t know how foreign viewers saw it but obviously if you know, you know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7meZZeYllo

It’s just the fellas that burn our flag and posters of politicians, nbd nbd nbd

I've never had any idea what Zombie, mainly because I've never been able to listen to more than three seconds of it, so I didn't realize it mentioned 1916.

funny how that clip ends with a snippet of the cranberries

https://theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/13/ireland-embrace-zombie-song-rugby-world-cup-stirs-debate-lyrics ofc it was rugby heads to blame

Whoever recorded this deserves a full reception at the Arás

https://on.soundcloud.com/2j6up

Truly one of our greatest heroes. See also: https://m.soundcloud.com/waalstepofficial/when-youre-in-irish-class-and-you-get-an-idea-ft-irish-aural-guy-full-version

well lads

well

Not great is it

not great