(And I don't even mind that one much. It's obvious what's awful about it but the instrumental is GREAT.)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 7 September 2023 13:12 (seven months ago) link
yea for a while I had all the CDs from Nursery Cryme to Trick of the Tail and then a separate best of which was all later tracks (plus a new version of Carpet Crawlers), was kind of surprised how much I liked it
in fact I remember playing it once as the summer help for a utility company, my boss came in and went "ah yes Genesis, they were good but I actually only like the stuff they did before this, they had a different singer actually, you probably don't even know..." and I wanted to say how much I was really into those records but had to go on my route in 5 minutes so just didn't have time to get into a prog discussion, lol
― frogbs, Thursday, 7 September 2023 13:18 (seven months ago) link
Throwing It All Away is Follow You Follow Me done better (and balder)
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 7 September 2023 13:20 (seven months ago) link
I think PaulTMA is right. Throwing It All Away is Peak Rutherford.
He went back to its sound again for Living Years, which is another good piece of music hampered by mawkish lyrics.
― Pontius Pilates (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 7 September 2023 13:29 (seven months ago) link
something I've noticed is how damn long every single one of Genesis's LPs were from Foxtrot -> Duke. even the doubles like The Lamb and Seconds Out. every LP is over 50 minutes long. this one is 55! you gotta crank up the bass hard!
Controversial Genesis opinion: nearly all the 70s-era albums would be improved by lopping 15 minutes off the running time.
― I spent too long trying to write sensible SF (Matt #2), Thursday, 7 September 2023 13:33 (seven months ago) link
― PaulTMA,
otm -- one of Rutherford's better lyrics. Blame him for the sheer terror of "Land of Confusion."
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 September 2023 13:38 (seven months ago) link
xp well I definitely don't agree with that but I do find the amount of long atmospheric passages a bit curious, particularly say the end of "Moonlit Knight" which just tweedles on for several minutes. wonder who decided that was essential
― frogbs, Thursday, 7 September 2023 13:40 (seven months ago) link
Having a 1978-81 Genesis afternoon in the late summer sun.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 7 September 2023 13:41 (seven months ago) link
I've always said that "Throwing It All Away" is one of Phil's deceptively simple peak drum performances, a total Bonham groove, which is unexpected for a ballad.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 September 2023 13:50 (seven months ago) link
It's my favorite Patrick Bateman-era ballad.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 September 2023 13:57 (seven months ago) link
In Too Deep's lovely as well, if I'm honest.
― honey badger drinks when he wants (stevie), Thursday, 7 September 2023 13:58 (seven months ago) link
Also, Abacab onwards, Genesis albums (until the awful We Can't Dance) are a lean 47 minutes or so
― honey badger drinks when he wants (stevie), Thursday, 7 September 2023 13:59 (seven months ago) link
We Can't Dance, Be Here Now, Disintegration, Daydream Nation - the four tenants of the 12 track, 71 minute album.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 7 September 2023 14:06 (seven months ago) link
The latter-half sections of both Knight and Volcano are both Steve-driven and seemingly dropped from later live performances
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 7 September 2023 14:18 (seven months ago) link
well that's just 3 - Abacab, Genesis, and Invisible Touch. and I think all those are still longer than any album by say King Crimson, at least until the CD era
the outlier in their catalogue is Nusery Cryme...not even 40 minutes!! wow!
― frogbs, Thursday, 7 September 2023 14:20 (seven months ago) link
Eh, We Can't Dance is not all bad. "Driving the Last Spike," "Dreaming While You Sleep," "Fading Lights," those three long ones are pretty good, and together they run almost 30 minutes, lol. For the short ones, I don't really like the singles much, tbh, and a lot of the tracks do veer closer to Phil Collins solo dreck than most Genesis material does, but I do like "Tell Me Why" and "Living Forever," which kind of sounds like it could be slotted between self-titled and "Invisible Touch."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHx9MqCfCjw
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:02 (seven months ago) link
No argument here. They all have at least that much that is a bit dull or underwhelming, especially Lamb which otherwise is my favorite album but really would've been better as a single LP (albeit one on the long side).
― birdistheword, Friday, 8 September 2023 02:27 (seven months ago) link
It's funny how they celebrated the dawn of the CD era by making shorter albums
― PaulTMA, Friday, 8 September 2023 09:28 (seven months ago) link
(Until WCD obviously)
Think a lot of my emnity towards WCD comes from the fact that I'd been a Genesis obsessive in my pre-teens, but WCD had the misfortune to arrive at the same time as Nirvana's Nevermind and my finally getting into music for kids of my age, and I felt I had to reject it. But also, I remember buying the CD out of curdled loyalty when it came out, and besides the chorus to No Son Of Mine, which I loved, it all felt like middle-aged-man ballads and old people shit. And then there was I Can't Dance, which was and is execrable. Perhaps I should revisit it.
― honey badger drinks when he wants (stevie), Friday, 8 September 2023 09:37 (seven months ago) link
That live thing, 'The Way We Walk: The Longs' has Fading Lights and Driving... and is a good context in which to listen to the record, but not.
― MaresNest, Friday, 8 September 2023 09:39 (seven months ago) link
I saw em at Knebworth on that tour, a mate got free tickets through his sister. And it was so removed from this band that I'd had such an intense, solitary relationship with when I was 11 or so, I remember feeling really weirdly about the whole thing (also we saw Steve Punt reviewing in the VIP section for a broadsheet w/his notepad out). But I'd be up for checking it out now.
― honey badger drinks when he wants (stevie), Friday, 8 September 2023 09:48 (seven months ago) link
I bloody love Domino so I'm definitely open to it being good.
― honey badger drinks when he wants (stevie), Friday, 8 September 2023 09:49 (seven months ago) link
Halfway thru the "old medley" and loving it of course
― honey badger drinks when he wants (stevie), Friday, 8 September 2023 10:06 (seven months ago) link
Argh and then Phil drops some lines from Illegal Alien in I Know What I Like, like a turd slipping into the gravy
― honey badger drinks when he wants (stevie), Friday, 8 September 2023 10:07 (seven months ago) link
eeets noh fahn
― MaresNest, Friday, 8 September 2023 10:30 (seven months ago) link