Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

That needs a snappy portmanteau like PoBro or Chesebrowell or CheeseBowel.

still stunned at Tarrio getting 22 years, I mean no sympathy for that guy obviously but that's pretty harsh. and I think it then follows that Trump himself deserves 2222 years, though I suspect it's probably gonna be 3 months of house arrest at Mar-a-Lago or something. though I guess we've reached such a bizarre point in US History that it seems useless to speculate anything.

oath keeper guy got 18, same ballpark for the masterminds, if the mob had been antifa they wouldve tried to put terrorism charges on ever last person within a mile of the capitol

as theyre doing now with the anti cop city people in atlanta

no time to go wobbly. in an ideal world tall members of right-wing street-fighting paramilitaires would be liquidated by the dictatorship of the proletariat

short members, too

His whole 'I can't be a white nationalist, I'm Cuban!' thing never really gained much traction

I'll admit that I haven't been following the details of who did what but didn't Tarrio plot and attempt a coup? How is 22 years harsh?

re: Trump not Tarrio, did this get missed?

Trump is liable in the second E. Jean Carroll defamation case, judge rules; January trial will determine damages

in that trial-streaming image, Asshole is looking more like a gob of suet thrown at the backdrop than usual

I'll admit that I haven't been following the details of who did what but didn't Tarrio plot and attempt a coup? How is 22 years harsh?

― Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Wednesday, September 6, 2023 5:59 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

i'm not really following the details either but was he really the main guy? did this shit really start with the Proud Boys? feel like if that was the case he wouldn't have been out on bail

i dont think anyones saying they caused the whole thing but they did make a seditious plot and then carry it out

yeah, they weren't there to sightsee the capitol

idk its just seeing these guys actually face serious consequences feels so weird, seems like the only time they face this stuff is when they literally execute a mass shooting. and even then you get to pick up a Whopper™ on your way to jail

the government frowns on overrunning their special building

This version of democracy is sort of ending, so I don’t know if I’ve got room to have cold feet over 20some years vs 2 or 3

apparently the saudis have, or are about to, execute a dude for tweeting to his eight followers

given the historical punishments, this guy is getting off pretty easy for legit sedition

he defense was apparently "i was not in DC on jan 6" which is true, and seems pretty exculpatory until you hear what he did before and on jan 6.

lol yeah I kinda figured if he got that sentence without even being there maybe he really fucked up after all

Yeah, I mean, like a lot of people online noted, Osama Bin Laden didn't fly the planes, Charles Manson didn't kill any of the Tate-LaBianca victims, etc.

i'm not really following the details either but was he really the main guy? did this shit really start with the Proud Boys? feel like if that was the case he wouldn't have been out on bail

― frogbs,

Tarrio was the Proud Boys leader.

leader of an organized group that used code words and allusions to tell the members to do exactly what they did, and one cooperating member testified that it was clear to him and others exactly what they were being told to do. Tarrio wasn’t there but was sending encrypted messages saying things like “keep doing it” on January 6

Roger Stone squeaked out with a presidential commutation and pardon but I would guess any coordination he did as one of a handful of people that talked to multiple groups was also vague. So the loosely-affiliated groups and assorted qanon types at the capitol were really waiting for some sort of orders and the most they got was Trump making vague tweets.

This version of democracy is sort of ending, so I don’t know if I’ve got room to have cold feet over 20some years vs 2 or 3

were the Proud Boys the ones that organized the whole Jan 6th thing? honestly I don't know how that got started.

Frogs man, where you been?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planning_of_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

I don't know if this makes me a bad person, as I have severe issues with the carceral system, but it did me good to read about these vile, racist pieces of shit and how long they're likely to spend in prison for what they've done.

the half serious nature of their endeavor is interesting to me, on the cusp of larping and for real, infused with wishful conspiracy thinking

hmmm interesting that Trump himself was directly encouraging these guys wonder what'll happen to him

lock him up haha (irony)

I don't know how you guys feel, but Tarrio's conviction and incarceration have brought me more pleasure than Trump's indictments.

maybe because Miami has thousands of Tarrio wannabes who may turn to video games and porn for their jollies instead of harassing trans folks and waving flags.

Apparently Tarrio was offered a plea deal (9-11 years) that he passed on.

Before trial, USA offered Proud Boys plea deals, revealed yesterday. They passed. Result:
Offer | Sentence after trial
Tarrio 9-11 yrs| 22 yrs
Nordean 6-8 yrs | 18 yrs
Biggs 6-8 yrs | 17 yrs
Rehl 6-7 yrs | 15 yrs
Pezzola 4-5 yrs | 10 yrs
/1 pic.twitter.com/OGf0CdRipr

— Roger Parloff (@rparloff) September 7, 2023

Art of the Deal baby

I'd insert downer John Oliver rant about plea deals here but ... nah, not this time

they got off easy

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5a85mDWcAAR94Q?format=jpg&name=large

What about Gavin? I know he stepped down as leader or whatever but... it's weird to me that he was never even kicked out of the U.S. Does that mean he does a ton of snitching/informing in addition to whatever other garbage he gets up to?

The judge has made a point that he's picking sentences between the gov. requested max and the defense mins mostly (iirc) because he's not embracing the full terrorism scope of the charges, since what these assholes did was nonetheless not quite at the level of driving a U-Haul full of explosives into a government building (essentially judge's opinion). Though metaphorically at least that's exactly what they did, which is why they still got pretty stiff sentences.

My biggest schadenfreude hope is that Pezzola yelling "Trump won!" after crying on the stand and claiming he was no longer political hurts all future Jan. 6 defendants going forward. Not to mention dickholes like Kyle Rittenhouse.

What about Gavin? I know he stepped down as leader or whatever but... it's weird to me that he was never even kicked out of the U.S. Does that mean he does a ton of snitching/informing in addition to whatever other garbage he gets up to?

― dell (del), Thursday, September 7, 2023 9:55 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

just smart enough to not be involved in crimes prob

pretty demonic to rile up the rubes then sit back while theyre imprisoned

but Trump did it, eating popcorn

Wild that Trump is going to cinch the gop nomination while his followers are getting this kind of prison time

Cheesebro getting his arse handed to him by a judge who wasn't even born while he was graduating from Harvard - that seems quite funny.

yea as lagoon mentions the half serious nature of all this makes it more bizarre than your typical political "activism". that AGNB/Channel 5 movie which prominently featured Tarrio didn't really paint them so much as right-wing activists as it did trolls looking for attention and trying to sell T-shirts. kinda like how the purpose of Infowars is mostly to sell vitamin supplements when you really break it down.

could be a cover obviously but Tarrio def strikes me as the kind of guy whose ideal career path pre-Trump might've been something like parlaying an appearance on Jersey Shore into an ugly overpriced clothing brand marketed towards "alpha males"

tarrio wont do 9-11

Tarrio also did federal time for Medicare fraud (resale of diabetic test strips) a decade ago. The guy's worse than a grifter.

trump obviously also said a bunch of encouraging, vague crap but there's no direct link to the idiots who were there, other than speaking to some of them down the road

if he'd actually said to do specific things then maybe they would have! we'll never know. he should be in prison, too

xp yeah, Tarrio also admitted in interviews he had other t-shirt brands selling pro-Biden merch. whether true or not, I have no idea. just an opportunistic asshole

Yeah, there was a lot of that dynamic on view in that HBO (or uh, "MAX"?) QAnon documentary from a couple years ago, where you could see people and groups obviously pushing sinister ideas that were potentially really fucked-up and dangerous, but meanwhile their presentation was at times so trolly or even kitschy that it was occasionally hard to see them as anything beyond journeyman grifters angling for money and attention and who just happened upon MAGA or that particular segment of the culture wars as being fertile ground for their dopey schemes. That said, some of those same people did end up being prosecuted for Jan 6 stuff, so...

if you spend any time looking at right wing media, especially comment threads or call-in shows, the calls for violence are so common that it's probably hard to suss out who is talking shit and who is serious

I mean, we have this historical stereotype (or at least history classes and documentaries have conveyed to me) that revolutionaries and violent political actors are these ideological die-hards but the reality is that many of them are shmucks who love the opportunity to get rowdy with their peers, or are really into a stance that they might completely flip on given a change in circumstance. And some are just outright opportunists.