German: Deutsch
― koogs, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:47 (eight months ago) link
The Finnish word is obviously derived from Saxon - like the Scottish Gaelic word for English speakers, Sassenach.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:49 (eight months ago) link
Yes, although I researched that and found ‘Deutsch’ is distantly related to “tedesco.’ There was a word in Old German that was the ancestor of both those words.
― Josefa, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:50 (eight months ago) link
xp
― Josefa, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:51 (eight months ago) link
“Theodiscus” was the original word, attested Tobin 786 AD and meaning something like “of the people.” The French “teuton” is from the same root.
― Josefa, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:56 (eight months ago) link
*attested to in
― Josefa, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:57 (eight months ago) link
It's "Nemyetski" in Russian, which literally translates to "one who does not understand" or, maybe more accurately, "one who does not speak an intelligible language" (i.e., a barbarian).
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 26 August 2023 21:15 (eight months ago) link
a further connection to Susan Tedeschi is that the surname Allman ultimately derives from Norman French 'aleman,' which means ...
― budo jeru, Saturday, 26 August 2023 22:44 (eight months ago) link
interesting discussion tho!
― budo jeru, Saturday, 26 August 2023 22:46 (eight months ago) link
I have a curator friend whose last name is Tedesco— she’s wonderful
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 27 August 2023 02:37 (eight months ago) link
Don't you mean wunderbar?
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 27 August 2023 03:35 (eight months ago) link
Ha, excellent joke!
― The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 August 2023 03:35 (eight months ago) link
I was thinking Dutch was an externally imposed name people gave to a group that calls itself something else. Think they call themselves Nederlanders as in people from the Netherlands which is also what translates as Pais-bas in French.Wikipedia has it as a splitting of the original designation derived from theodiscus into Diets for the group of languages that became what the English call Dutch and Fresian etc and Deutsch for the languages still thought of as German. Both derived from Germanic sources.I had thought it was purely external and Brits had called a group by a term belonging to another one they'd mistaken them for. Does happen a bit. Insular country and all those people from over in that direction are all the same after all. Dutch just being an anglicisation of Deutsch like. & easier to say than Netherlander
― Stevo, Sunday, 27 August 2023 07:28 (eight months ago) link
I've noted on seeing Dutch written that it looks about halfway between English and German.
― Stevo, Sunday, 27 August 2023 07:30 (eight months ago) link
has no-one heard of Tommy Tedesco?
― fetter, Sunday, 27 August 2023 07:37 (eight months ago) link
*raises hand*
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Sunday, 27 August 2023 08:00 (eight months ago) link
Til about the Soviet air force disaster plane the TU 55. It was a single pilot bomber that was dangerous to fly, even more dangerous to land and killed loads of pilots, everything about it seemed designed to kill the pilot - even the ejector seat fired the pilot downwards out of the bottom of the cockpit! But the funny part was the pilots called it the "booze carrier" because the coolant system used an alcohol/distilled water blend that was not dissimilar to Russian vodka, so if they managed to survive a flight they'd drain the remaining gallons of alcohol out the craft to sell on the black market.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Sunday, 27 August 2023 09:46 (eight months ago) link
I remember hearing the story among a bunch of other stuff about ineptness, poor training and corruption in the Soviet armed forces.Not sure to what extent that was propaganda during the end of the cold war and pre the dissolution of the USSR.I think there was one book I always meant to read on the subject and may be several others by now. Think i heard about it or the subject in general as a news item in the late 80s.
― Stevo, Sunday, 27 August 2023 09:59 (eight months ago) link
this plane was designed by the Concordski guy, not sure if he was a terrible designer or the Soviet system was all geared towards getting things done a bit too fast.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Sunday, 27 August 2023 10:04 (eight months ago) link
James Ure OBE (born 10 October 1953) is a British musician, singer-songwriter and record producer. His stage name, Midge, is a phonetic reversal of Jim, the diminutive form of his actual name.
I dunno, I always sort of assumed he was called Midge, never thought about it tbh
― faust sofa (Matt #2), Sunday, 27 August 2023 12:38 (eight months ago) link
I assumed it was because he was small. I don't know if he is or not though.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Sunday, 27 August 2023 12:59 (eight months ago) link
.. 5 feet 6 and a half. I suspect it was a dual purpose nickname tbh.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Sunday, 27 August 2023 13:02 (eight months ago) link
Midhe Ure has more of a ring to it than Shortarse Ure I suppose, although not much
― faust sofa (Matt #2), Sunday, 27 August 2023 13:10 (eight months ago) link
Midhe Ure, is that the Gaelic version of his name?
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Sunday, 27 August 2023 13:23 (eight months ago) link
Maidhe (pronounced "Fred")
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 27 August 2023 13:32 (eight months ago) link
Every time I think of Midge Ure I think of Rik Mayall knocking on his door and calling him "Midge UEEEUUUURRGHHH" in Bottom, or Filthy Rich & Catflap whichever one it was.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 28 August 2023 01:41 (eight months ago) link
In the musical Oklahoma!, the song "The Surrey With the Fringe on Top" describes the surrey as having "isinglass curtains you can roll right down" although here the term refers to mica, commonly used for windows in vehicle side screens (but totally inflexible).[13][14]
oh i'd love that, i'd be a mineral deposit, a ball of isinglass curtains inside a rock
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 28 August 2023 01:55 (eight months ago) link
If goldfish grow to fit the size of the pond they're in how big a waterway would you need to grow a fish that could provide curtains for Surrey? I mean, like.
― Stevo, Monday, 28 August 2023 10:12 (eight months ago) link
a neat summary of the previous conversation, but does it work with sturgeon
― Stevo, Thursday, 31 August 2023 09:23 (eight months ago) link
THat a load of the titles that were in the sale section in Guerssen at the start of the pandemic 3 years ago are still there. Which has me wondering how many copies of things they got and put there in the first place. Thought some of that Turkish and middle eastern stuff would be popular so is that an overcalculation they made themselves?Anyway worth having a look at if you are into the area of early 70s Turkish & middle eastern psych rock or funk influenced hybrids. Cos there are a load of titles there still.
― Stevo, Thursday, 31 August 2023 10:20 (eight months ago) link
The first Sham 69 single was produced by John Cale.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Friday, 1 September 2023 17:22 (eight months ago) link
not enough electric viola iirc
― mark s, Friday, 1 September 2023 17:28 (eight months ago) link
I probably did know that at one point because I've got that single and it says on the back, but if I ever did know that I'm learning it again now
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 1 September 2023 17:29 (eight months ago) link
continuing the theme of "nobody who had Cale as a producer ever wanted to again"?!?
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Friday, 1 September 2023 17:29 (eight months ago) link
(c.f. Patti Smith, Stooges, Modern Lovers)
also squeeze!
― mark s, Friday, 1 September 2023 17:32 (eight months ago) link
"When we worked with John Cale in the studio, he threw out all the songs that we had written" lol
also Happy Mondays who apparently got mad that they were paying for Cale to just listen to their guitarist playing in the booth over and over bcz he couldn’t figure out what the untrained musician was doing to get his sound
― vashti funyuns (sic), Friday, 1 September 2023 17:36 (eight months ago) link
i just got that Pen15 thing last week. i saw the name of the show online and it dawned on me. i guess they didn't do that where i grew up. or it was so secret that i never heard about it. okay, i looked up the actual origin. i don't remember that prank. anyway, i had no idea why the show was named that until last week.
― scott seward, Friday, 1 September 2023 18:01 (eight months ago) link
you know, scott, you really RAQT
― budo jeru, Friday, 1 September 2023 18:35 (eight months ago) link
welcome to the pen15 club, scott
― mh, Friday, 1 September 2023 21:55 (eight months ago) link
i'm not really a shows person but that one is hilarious imo
― budo jeru, Friday, 1 September 2023 22:12 (eight months ago) link
That this existshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNfy3Urhtsc
― Stevo, Sunday, 3 September 2023 07:42 (eight months ago) link
"nobody who had Cale as a producer ever wanted to again"
Except Nico! Though who knows if she "wanted to" or had to put up with him.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 3 September 2023 16:24 (eight months ago) link
And vice-versa.
― The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 3 September 2023 16:53 (eight months ago) link
God knows she uttered at least two withering putdowns about Lou I won't quote right now, will leave it for sometone else like Tom D.
― The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 3 September 2023 16:54 (eight months ago) link
There's a story from her last sessions with him, about Cale riding her back like a saddle, making horse-racing commentary as she crawled around on all fours.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 3 September 2023 17:09 (eight months ago) link
Almost forgot about that one.
― The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 3 September 2023 17:13 (eight months ago) link
Never heard of that one tbh.
― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Sunday, 3 September 2023 17:13 (eight months ago) link
A titmouse is just a tit and not some sort of mouse
― Grandall Flange (wins), Monday, 4 September 2023 20:49 (eight months ago) link