prince

Looking over this set, I may probably hold off as well. I like the album, but it's not one of my favorite Prince albums - he had yet to successfully integrate rap elements into his music (I don't think that really happened until The Gold Experience, partly because Tony M was gone by then and Prince handled it himself). The original CD was already mastered fine, that was the primary format, and non-album stuff that's been out there already like the single edits and remixes never really interested me. The three discs of vault items are interesting, I'll check those out, and the live material may be great, but it's possible I'll just be fine with the album I already have.

Apparently eight tracks from a preliminary version of that D&P set (and ultimately removed from the final track list) has leaked. Have not heard them myself but supposedly some good stuff in there.

i found an up of lauriann on YT, i won't bother linking because it'll probably be down by the time i finish posting, it's fucking _great_ tho

I’m going to be aggravated if this turns out to be good and I buy a damn Diamonds and Pearls box set.

If this further fucks up and delays their Super Deluxe reissues, I'm going to be really pissed.

https://www.billboard.com/business/legal/prince-estate-lawsuit-heirs-attempting-seize-control-1235580400/

have his films been polled?

ran across the lyrics from New World off Emancipation, both anti-trans and anti-vax

https://genius.com/Prince-new-world-lyrics

Ahead of the curve, as always.

But srsly folks, was there anyone in the 80s up to and maybe including Boy George who blurred the lines between every boy and every girl than prince? Physician, heel thyself.

As much as I love Prince, he's always been a wildly uneven political commentator, moreso after he became a Jehovah's Witness (which happened not long after Emancipation). His discography has tons of dubious lyrics and plenty of critics flagged them in their original reviews. It's a credit to his tremendous gifts that the musical elements of his work was usually more than enough to overshadow his lyrical deficiencies.

i can see how you could project an anti-trans reading on that but it seems like a stretch. how do we know that's what he meant?

he was a jehovah's witness for one

i'm sure he had some fucked up views, i just don't get that from the lyrics in this song

well obv i get the anti-vax thing from these lyrics. but which part is anti-trans?

As bird stated earlier, the song was recorded well before he became a JW. Likely around 1994. He converted around 2001. Also it stole its premise from Brave New World and likely didn't reflect any strong opinion of his own. Were anti-vax or anti-trans positions even on his radar at that time? Probably not.

or he's always been much more conservative than we thought

i don't know, a guy like prince, all you can is "it's complicated"

he wasn't always a JW, but he always loved god, he was always a Christian, and in those days, everything he learned about God was that God hated queerness. and something in him loved queerness, loved lesbians especially. "vagina was half boy and half girl/best of both worlds"... i mean, that's a gross way of looking at lesbians, but there's a _fascination_ there, at least. his closest collaborators were wendy and lisa, the work he did with them was the best of his career, and then he fired them for, well, being lesbian, mostly. he loved women, loved being around women, and he abused women. abused everyone around him, but especially women. he sings about wanting to be alone, and at the same time he kind of hated being alone. he sings about not taking pills and he took them, took them to deal with chronic pain, pain that stemmed in large part from his spending all those years walking around in high heels, and they killed him.

life gets complicated. sometimes. i mean, you look at little richard... with prince it was always a two-step, prince was never openly _queer_, he just had a, uh, sexuality. but little richard, him and queerness and god... it was complicated. little richard hated himself, and that's really sad to me. he shouldn't have had to go through all of that. it doesn't excuse anything. it's just what happened.

that's an even-handed and generous reading of prince imo.

i've cooled on him since his death tbqf

yah great post Kate

Excellent post Kate.

Also, just in case it wasn't known, Prince was raised as a Seventh-day Adventist, so he was probably surrounded by very social conservative brands of Christianity his entire life. And IIRC the Star-Tribune published an epic oral history after Prince's death where Wendy Melvoin mentioned that during one attempt at reconciliation (well after Prince had converted to JW), he asked her to renounce her sexuality and convert as well - pretty bad, but it's probably something I would've predicted given what was publicly known about his faith. It was a bittersweet remembrance though - Wendy knew the path he had taken and what it meant in terms of their friendship, that things would remain a mess, but she forgave him.

Thanks to Kate and bird for the nuances

https://polishedsolid.substack.com/p/my-2023-prince-year-in-review

The person who does this Substack just had a Prince conference this weekend in NY and am seeing lots of folks speaking highly of it online