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state gets refund, federal i owe bunches coz i didn't figure to add self-emp tax to my estimateds. PLUS i hadta pay a bunch of back self-emp from last year coz of it. bleh. if only i understood the deductions/se thing i woulda kept recipts and done the whole deal. now mournfully too late.

thankfully i make little enuf that this isn't massive chunks of change we're talking about yet.

grrr.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 15 April 2005 02:55 (nineteen years ago) link

G0|)|)4M FuXX0riNg $eLf-3MpL0Ym3NT taXXXE$!

nabiscothingy (nory), Friday, 15 April 2005 02:58 (nineteen years ago) link

If you pay for your own health insurance through COBRA, can you deduct the money you spend on that? I want to do that for next year -- do I need some kind of form or receipt?

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 15 April 2005 02:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I should add that JtM schooled me righteously in the need for directing spending to deductible things last time we caught up.

also how fucked up is mass in that you get taxed MORE (and w/o most deductions, no less!) on out-of-state "investment"!? they only let you take out special in-state deductions for it, insteada the gamut, so my education deduction (which is xo!@%$@#ing huge) does no good.

[on the health insurance tip -- i need to figure out how to make sure the plan is "through" the business or whatever. yeah -- a tax atty could actually have probably saved me $ this year. next time round...]

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 15 April 2005 03:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Since all of my income in the past has been 1099, I always deducted my health insurance premiums, which for a while were COBRA, when calculating AGI -- there's a spot for self-employed health insurance deductions. I'm still not sure if this is 100% right, but I've never been called out on it (probably because I've never made nearly enough to warrant an audit).

the krza (krza), Friday, 15 April 2005 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, nabisco OTM: fuck a self-employment tax with knives.

the krza (krza), Friday, 15 April 2005 03:07 (nineteen years ago) link

word to the wise -- the MOST LIKELY to be audited tax returns are those with self-employment income. even so, you only have a less-than-5% chance of being audited.

now, if you fuXors only had money i could make a mint representing yer asses come audit time :-)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 15 April 2005 03:08 (nineteen years ago) link

But they're not chosen at random, are they? I always thought you had to have self-employment income plus a bunch of business expenses, especially ones that involve your house or other things of that scale. Or is that totally wrong?

the krza (krza), Friday, 15 April 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

as far as i know, there's some sorta computer program-thingy that "randomly" chooses returns that are to be looked at by agents and possibly audited. the IRS keeps secret just WHAT criteria it uses.

that said, yeah if you are self-employed and have business expenses you stand a better chance than if you are just self-employed and have no expenses. also, anything having to do w/ "flow-through entities" (basically, partnerships, limited liability companies, and S corporations) get a closer look (b/c of well-publicized instances of outright fraud wr2 such entities).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 15 April 2005 03:17 (nineteen years ago) link

If you're filing as self-employed, you should be able to make a 100% above-the-line adjustment for your health insurance costs. So far as I can tell -- i.e., so far as I can tell after a week's worth of unprofessional double-checking of very long instruction booklets -- that's however you get your health insurance. So yeah, Hurting and Sterling: I think you can pretty much go ahead and lop it off the 1040 line. (As far as a "form or receipt" goes, it doesn't seem that you need one for filing; on the off chance that you got audited, all you'd need to do would be call up your insurer and ask them to mail you a balance statement for that year.)

Audit-wise: I decided (about sixteen hours ago) that unless you're actively trying to scam the IRS, they're not worth getting paranoid about -- not unless you're dealing with really significant sums of money. Which isn't to say that I don't believe they'll audit you, or that it won't suck. But I started thinking about it, and the worst-case audit scenario I can imagine is that I'm unable to back up a couple small claims, which ... well, if you're in the student/freelance range that I am, the worst this could possibly mean is that you do wind up having to pay that $1500 you shaved off of your bill, plus penalties. Which would suck in countless ways, but it's not exactly life-ruining.

(This will be hilarious in fall when I start the thread that goes "they audited me! oh shit! I have to pay $62,000 in penalties or go to jail! I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong!")

nabiscothingy (nory), Friday, 15 April 2005 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Audit-wise: I decided (about sixteen hours ago) that unless you're actively trying to scam the IRS, they're not worth getting paranoid about -- not unless you're dealing with really significant sums of money.

not to needlessly scare the shit outta anyone (b/c nabisco is basically correct) -- but (a) the IRS has been underfunded for a while now [thankee dubya!] -- there are abusers and scammers who are quite well-known to the IRS and defrauding the government of MILLIONS of dollars, but they don't go after them simply because they don't have the resources to do so; and (b) the IRS HAS recently been going after small-fry "cheaters" esp wr2 the earned-income credit -- not that there isn't fraud and abuse there, but going after them is a political decision by Treasury [thankee again, dubya].

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 15 April 2005 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Theoretically, do you think there could be any penalty for forgetting to file your state taxes, while diligently filing your federal? Just wondering . . .

Mary (Mary), Friday, 15 April 2005 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know that the penalty's huge, Mary, but they will catch up with you and assess it; I know someone who didn't pay the City of New York taxes and got brought up on that pretty damn quickly.

Actually, Tad, it's funny -- you can practically see in the IRS documentation that they're trying to keep people from claiming the EIC. It took me hours to sort through vague, discouraging documentation to see if the dollar limit applied to adjusted gross income or flat earnings, and every other page seemed to be "DO NOT CLAIM THIS, SERIOUSLY, IT'S NOT FOR YOU, DON'T EVEN DO THE WORKSHEET."

nabiscothingy (nory), Friday, 15 April 2005 04:52 (nineteen years ago) link

mary: check out p. 6 of the NY tax return booklet -- basically, if you have $7.5K of NY source income you have to file an NY state return.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 15 April 2005 04:58 (nineteen years ago) link

you CAN file for an extension, but you STILL have to pay the tax (TODAY!) -- payment can't be delayed, just filing.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 15 April 2005 04:59 (nineteen years ago) link

NB my current suggestion for the simplification of the tax code is to just have a damn standard deduction for self-employed business expenses! I mean, steadily more people work regular-ass jobs but get non-employee compensation; it's awkward to expect them to keep track of expenses as if they're running a small business, or expect them to sit around calculating the percentage of their apartments that they use for work, or whatever else. They really should just offer a table of optional standard expense deductions for people doing non-employee work, at least under a certain dollar amount; if you're making less than like $15,000 off of it, there's no reason you should have to keep records on every time you bought a printer cartridge or whatever. Granted, this only applies to people who aren't selling actual goods, or traveling a lot, or whatever -- but given the number of writers, designers, programmers, etc. who are in pretty much that position, it'd be a damn good thing to offer. It'd also make the IRS's job easier, insofar as fewer people would have reason to try and cheat on itemized expenses, and fewer people would have anything substantial to audit.

nabiscothingy (nory), Friday, 15 April 2005 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link

What if a person, say, hadn't filed since that one time in '95 when they went out of their way to figure out how much they owed and realized they were owed $6 or something and didn't bother sending the form in?

What if that same person, flush from her recent successes, tried the same strategy in VA circa '96 and when a letter was sent to her, her mom sent them a letter back saying she was in Japan, and the taxman was not heard from again?

Mary (Mary), Friday, 15 April 2005 06:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Wait a minute . . . I'm supposed to pay city taxes too?

Mary (Mary), Friday, 15 April 2005 06:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, city taxes paid to the state. My NYC taxes were three times my basic state taxes!

nabiscothingy (nory), Friday, 15 April 2005 13:59 (nineteen years ago) link

i kind of want to have a bunch of kids just so i can get more out of my city taxes.

h0t h0t h0rsey (Carey), Friday, 15 April 2005 14:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd say OTM except you know I ain't putting no kids in these goddamn public schools around these parts.

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Friday, 15 April 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

city taxes SUXOR ... that said, NYC residents get off relatively EASY. philly residents pay 4.5% to the city of philadelphia!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 15 April 2005 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Overheard today at a health fair: Should you be checking blood pressure on tax day?! Haha!

Overheard five minutes later at a different booth: Do you think I should get my blood pressure checked on tax day?! Haha!

Ahh, corporate humor!


Taxes fucking sucked it this year. Bad witholding = I owes .. uh ... LOT. But for the first time ever, I don't owe the city anything.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 15 April 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

jesus you have to FILE your city taxes? thank god I don't have to do that. however, my city is completely broke so they'll probably start that soon.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 15 April 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I only have to file if my employer fucks up and doesn't pay them. Oh, looks like employer didn't withhold the right amount again ...

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 15 April 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

You don't have to file city taxes separately, Kyle -- it's just a little sub-section of the state filing. ("If you are a resident of NYC, see table X, etc...")

I'm annoyed at the paltry tuition deductions they allow, too; a $4000/year cap doesn't come anywhere close to reflecting the cost of higher education; it'd barely cover tuition and fees at a community college! (And lord, if there's anything people should be able to spend money on tax-free, it's education that will theoretically lead to their paying a hell of a lot more taxes in the future.)

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 15 April 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

not to mention that the student loan interest credit gets gradually phased out if you are single and earn b/w $50K and $65K, and if you earn more than $65K then you can't take that credit!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 15 April 2005 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
HRCOCK: thanks for e-filing my stuff incorrectly, getting my taxes rejected, and never bothering to contact me about it! also thanks for not letting me know that the agent I had quit the day after filing them, so all my shit got lost, and now my taxes haven't been filed, I'll probably owe more IRS fees, and also thanks for giving me the impression that you aren't going to pay those for me even though this is all your fault. I hate you HRCOCK!

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 9 May 2005 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

:(

hey assuming everything goes okay and I have my kid in december, I get to claim it as a deduction for the whole year, right? right?

teeny (teeny), Monday, 9 May 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

There ya go, the kid's name should be Writeoff. (Sorry to hear about that, Kyle, what a mess. :-( )

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 May 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Dear IRS,

Thanks for the $5 check I recieved int he mail today. Thanks for spending my tax money and everyone else's on the bookkeeping/paperwork neccesary to send out $5 checks. Really.

xoxo,
mouse

mouse (mouse), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Oddly enough, I sent THEM a $5 check. So consider that a gift from me to you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link

hrmph

mouse (mouse), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 00:33 (eighteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
i actually OWE taxes this year, wtf. first time for me, i'm totally p.o.'ed. i need to go kick something!

ai lien (kold_krush), Friday, 27 January 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I need to sort mine out this weekend. Last year I was owed money by the govt and I gave it to charity. If I owe anything this year I'm damn well taking it back.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 27 January 2006 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Are you using an accountant, ai lien? I somehow ended up owing over a grand because I just cashed that $300 check Shrubya threw at us during 9/11. Apparently, that was supposed to be reported on the return, and I got hit hard.

Anyway, I carry all of my delicate financial information to a woman who has an office off of MacArthur down by Starlite, next door to a liquor store. She's got me hundreds of dollars back from the IRS and the state, and she charges me like a hundred bucks to do it.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 27 January 2006 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Doers she give you dog biscuits?

Serge Protecteur (nordicskilla), Friday, 27 January 2006 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Just mints.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 27 January 2006 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I need to deduct gas mileage and cell phone usage.

Are job-hunting expenses also allowed to deducted?

kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 January 2006 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes.

TOMBOT, Friday, 27 January 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

hooray!

kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 January 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

p.p. i had the h&r b1ock do it for me after i did them myself. see, i thought i was doing it wrong wrong wrong since my math said that i OWED. then i had them do it and it turns out that i still owe. but $1 less than i figured. i haven't been this fuxxing cussy in awhile. insert current administration anger rant right here.

ai lien (kold_krush), Friday, 27 January 2006 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link

there is no way you had to owe $1000 on $300.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 27 January 2006 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

It was very complicated, kyle. Let me do my own taxes again, and I could find a way to owe a million.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 27 January 2006 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Who brought their 1040 to work today, just in case ILX gets dull?

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

haha HERE!

kenan, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I knew there was something I liked about you!

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Has anyone tried to deduct their phone bill yet? Apparently, there's a one-time deduction of fifty bucks this year because the IRS was taking taxes based on an outdated law from the Spanish-American War or something. I wish I had more information, but I heard about it too late anyway.

Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 12 April 2007 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

turbo tax asked automatically. I think it was $30 for me.

Ms Misery, Thursday, 12 April 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

It is a $30 deduction, yes.

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 12 April 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link


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