Reminder: Melissa/ Radiohead on BBC 2/ Later

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Channel 4 and ITV have always seemed reluctant to stick with formats for their music shows - its amazing the Chart Show lasted as long as it did, especially what with not having an attractive presenter. i'll be amazed if you ever see a show like the old Chart Show again. but even shows like Videotech only seem to get a 2 year contract and thats it, likewise Jo Whiley's last show. regardless of whether the ratings for those shows matched projected figures (seemingly always over-estimated anyway) they should be given the chance to remain and build up an audience in the way that Later has over the last 12 years.

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 7 June 2003 14:05 (twenty years ago) link

what's odd abt later is that i don't think it is "safe" especially in its choice of who's on, more that something about its format homogenises a fairly wide range of musics (the eclecticism enforces a kind of "best behaviour" i guess — viz the jazzfunk guys don't go over to the glam electronica guys and start a crabby argument abt aesthetic principles => for the duration of the programme all participants are saying "our aesthetic principles don't matter" => for the duration their music stops mattering and melts dully into itself)

music on television suffers greatly from the sense of it always being the "last medium to know"

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 7 June 2003 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

actually yeh Later's repertoire is not actually that bad, maybe its just the fact that you'd wish they wouldnt bother with David gray, Stereophonics etc. at all...i missed The Streets and Goldfrapp's appearances on there who are two i'd like to see but not much else really. its a shame Black Box Recorder haven't come on and it would be nice to see Broadcast on there again later in the year.

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 7 June 2003 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

http://home.clara.net/koogy/jools.jpg

i think melissa must be in this shot. black and white kimono? just to the right of the keyboards in this picture?

radiohead from 2001 was on immediately afterwards on bbc4 and they get a mention in a forthcoming totp2 episode for the 18th.

andy

― koogs (koogs), Saturday, 7 June 2003 16:41 (twenty years ago) link

there's also a Radiohead live show scheduled for broadcast on MTV soon, from the Sheps Bush Empire gig i think

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:11 (twenty years ago) link

mtv show is tonight at 8, oh, about 23 minutes from now. is anyone videoing this?

they are also on radio 1's lamacq tomorrow from 8 (bst)

andy

― koogs (koogs), Sunday, 8 June 2003 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

can't believe i was moaning about music shows on TV as 4 Music last night had The Streets, DJ Shadow and Lemon D & Dillinja all being interviewed and played clips of new videos by Future Kings Of Spain, Har Mar Superstar and Zoot Woman (all good tracks), and Radiohead seem to be on TV more than any other band lately - still, things could be better

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 8 June 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

'later...' is not safe.

― piscesboy, Monday, 9 June 2003 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

what's odd abt later is that i don't think it is "safe" especially in its choice of who's on, more that something about its format homogenises a fairly wide range of musics...for the duration of the programme all participants are saying "our aesthetic principles don't matter" => for the duration their music stops mattering and melts dully into itself)

I think what happens is it enforces Jools Holland's view of music as a craft and all musicians having that in common regardless of genre. So respect for musicianship, and music as a 'common language'. That's the central aesthetic/tenet and artists appearing choose (or are forced) to conceal any dislike they may have for other musics. Actually Holland's view is fairly common among musicians so it's pretty much voluntary I'd say. It's like when Pete Townshend's father (big band musician Cliff Townshend) took him to see Bill Haley & the Comets and remarked to his son 'hmm..not bad...'

― David (David), Monday, 9 June 2003 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

like Geir the only electronica act Jools seems to really like is Orbital!

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 June 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

david, i'm sure it's voluntary: i totally believe — not least cz once long ago i interviewed him — that jools is charming amusing company w.no attitude or agenda, basically a good person: what interests me is that this seemingly positive attitude (what's so bad about a musician having respect for makers of a music he himself wouldn't choose to make?) contributes to the gummy worthiness of this programme, making it seem more homogenous in fact than it would on paper

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 9 June 2003 14:09 (twenty years ago) link

>can't believe i was moaning about music shows on TV as 4 Music
>last night had The Streets, DJ Shadow and Lemon D & Dillinja all
>being interviewed

the key phrase here is 'all being interviewed'. was disappointed by the lack of music by the above-mentioned although the talk of the valve sound system was interesting. maybe if these things were 30 minutes long rather than just 10...

andy

― koogs (koogs), Monday, 9 June 2003 17:35 (twenty years ago) link

The White Room still stands miles above any other music show on telly, even though the only thing i can remember of it is iggy pop and his trousers.

Another good show a while back (just for the bands they covered) was that Barfly thing on Channel 4. Actually what's happened to 4 music now? there doesn't seem to be anything decent on wednesday nights.

― jellybean (jellybean), Monday, 9 June 2003 17:39 (twenty years ago) link

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