Hell Is Other People At Breakfast - Caring For Your Introvert

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oh i mean nobody should have to entertain others unless they are in a position of entertainment where they desire to entertain and/or are a clown/juggler/unicyclist/personiwanttopunch

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 00:27 (sixteen years ago) link

interview tih the author:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200602u/introverts

moley, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 00:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Sometimes I talk way too much out of sheer nerves because I think the other person is bored with me if theyre not talking :( :(

Trayce, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 00:32 (sixteen years ago) link

do not worry about these things
if they are bored they should not be there and vice-versa

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 00:35 (sixteen years ago) link

i have learned this

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 00:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah. I should also say that when I'm lucky sometimes I'll meet a person who I understand the silence of, and am perfectly happy to sit silently with as well :)

Trayce, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 00:36 (sixteen years ago) link

I am pretty introverted and don't seek people out that much, but I live with a fairly extroverted group and so when I'm sitting in my room alone doing something and I hear shrieks of laughter I have to go see what's going on or I will somehow drift away from the group. I like them but don't think I quite keep up at maintaining friendships the way they do.

Maria, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 00:46 (sixteen years ago) link

(On the other hand, I haven't spent any time in my room lately because it's an unholy mess, and I've set up an office with my laptop and books in the living room, which at least lets me see who walks in and out of the front hall and say hi.)

Maria, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 00:47 (sixteen years ago) link

i love being social and hanging out and meeting new people but i think my "default state" is being by myself. socializing is fun but the thing i really love is going out alone for long walks or bus rides, listening to my ipod, getting lost in the scenery, zoning out. i usually find random things much more interesting than other people. i also prefer the company of cute kids and animals to the majority of human adults. it may have something to do with a sort of nonverbal/nonlinear communication that corresponds with the way my mind works.

get bent, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 00:48 (sixteen years ago) link

I am very introverted and appreciate the extraversion of my partner - she does most of the talking in social situations, though I can get on a roll for short periods of time - also I can be a very good listener. When I'm alone with her, she can sometimes get a little annoyed with my silence - she'll turn on the TV to break the silence. This used to annoy me a little, in turn, but not any more - I'm used to it now. However, I've got to say, when I'm all alone at home (rare, as my daughter is also an extravert chatterbox) I make full use of this time to immerse myself in silence, read books, potter around the house to music etc. The TV remains off. These times are very welcome and almost healing.

moley, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 00:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Extroverts are easy for introverts to understand, because extroverts spend so much of their time working out who they are in voluble, and frequently inescapable, interaction with other people. They are as inscrutable as puppy dogs. But the street does not run both ways. Extroverts have little or no grasp of introversion. They assume that company, especially their own, is always welcome. They cannot imagine why someone would need to be alone; indeed, they often take umbrage at the suggestion. As often as I have tried to explain the matter to extroverts, I have never sensed that any of them really understood. They listen for a moment and then go back to barking and yipping.

stooooopid fucking article

jhøshea, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 01:50 (sixteen years ago) link

i couldn't get past the first few paragraphs
those are some pretty fucked up claims

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 01:53 (sixteen years ago) link

I am not morose or misanthropic.

uh yeah

jhøshea, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 01:55 (sixteen years ago) link

I am yet to meet a person who honestly doesnt understand wanting to be alone! I think thats HUMAN!

Trayce, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 01:59 (sixteen years ago) link

i did not mean to kibosh latebloomer's new thread on this by posting link to old thread btw :/

-- rrrobyn, Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:38 PM (3 hours ago)

ha it's ok i didn't know there was an older thread on this.

latebloomer, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:02 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm not sure whether i'm an introvert or a failed extrovert

latebloomer, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:03 (sixteen years ago) link

articles like this worry me a lot because they can be taken pretty easily as an excuse for depression to go untreated--my (now ex) girlfriend is an "introvert," and while i have no doubt that introversion is a part of "her," a lot of it stems from pretty serious, and until-now untreated depression and anxiety issues. and i know she's spent most of her life saying things like, "i'm just introverted," without admitting that part of that introversion is directly related to her sometimes crippling depression and anxiety. obviously people "are" introverted w/out having related issues but when its related to bad depression, saying shit like this can be sort of damaging as it allows you to continue enabling your own depression

max, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:32 (sixteen years ago) link

i even flew across the country and hung out with ned!


And I'm glad you did! :-D

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh sorry, just realised I reposted an interview already posted by peepee.

In other news, Hi Ned! Sorry I didn't visit you in LA - for some reason I thought you were a New Yorker. It definitely wasn't because I vanted to be alone. Next time I will certainly look you up.

moley, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 03:10 (sixteen years ago) link

i am so socialized it's not even funny

s1ocki, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 03:46 (sixteen years ago) link

damn canadians and their socialized slocki system

latebloomer, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 04:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Canadians are altogether too considerate and civilised in my opinion.

moley, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 04:31 (sixteen years ago) link

sorry i'll try and be more outrageous and in your face and totally out of this world if we ever meet.

s1ocki, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 04:42 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm envious, i want to be a socialized slocki:-/

latebloomer, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 05:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Sorry I didn't visit you in LA - for some reason I thought you were a New Yorker.


Wah etc. Another time.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 05:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Are you going to bust some paradigms to the extreme, slocki? =)

Trayce, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 05:13 (sixteen years ago) link

I realized WAY too late that living successfully with someone is not a function of how much you love them.

Good on you, Abbott, and good on the SO that understands you.

kenan, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 05:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Abbott is actually me, btw. I am patting myself on the back again.

kenan, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 05:23 (sixteen years ago) link

obviously people "are" introverted w/out having related issues but when its related to bad depression, saying shit like this can be sort of damaging as it allows you to continue enabling your own depression

OTM, tho there's a cornucopia of ways to enable yr own depression.

Abbott, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 05:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Someday we'll find it, the Kenan connection: the lover, the dreamer, and the person who needs to sit alone in their very own space for long periods of time...

Abbott, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 05:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm now lurking on this thread - that does not mean I am upset, OK?

moley, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 05:31 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

i just wanna say, once again, that dave q. is a genius & that his description of extraverts is dead-on.

thank you. :-)

Eisbaer, Saturday, 2 June 2007 08:43 (sixteen years ago) link

[Self-defense tip though - always pay ludicrously exxaggerated attention to them - for like TWO MINUTES. Keep mental note of EVERYTHING they said, like you're a detective. This gives you enough of their 'material'. Then as they go on, ask them some question referring to what they've said in that inital two minutes, or better yet, expose some discrepancy between THAT statement and current one. Do this repeatedly, and (cf Milgram experiment) ask question repeatedly and more insistently each time, sometimes rephrasing (this can be dragged out indefinitely, as person will usually have no answer whatever). Since the ext. usually a)has no reason to say anything they say, and b)usually can't remember what they've said anyway, they will become vaguely anxious, then completely unhinged as the cognitive dissonance overcomes them, as they're forced to stare into that void within themselves that no amount of self-generated verbal pollution (think of it as aural skunk-spray or other yecchy Discovery Channel shit) will cover up. Remember how Hannibal Lecter disposed of that spunk-throwin' guy in 'Silence of the Lambs'? Like that. (Umm...of course anybody who reads excepted, like if I see you in a pub or something)

hahaha awesome

latebloomer, Saturday, 2 June 2007 08:49 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

sigh. it seems like every day since i started my new job, i've had someone remark about how "quiet" i am. and it's true in that situation -- i'm there to get my work done and my top priority isn't socializing. but i'm starting to resent people making a thing of it, like they're putting the onus on me to be a fucking social butterfly when i really have nothing much to add to the watercooler conversation. want me to talk? i can talk at length about experimental music, urban policy and infrastructure, design, ambitious cooking projects, literature... but i just don't have very much to say about your kids, your SUV, or your diet. sorry i'm not part of the special breeders' club. i apologize on behalf of my withered old uterus.

hipsters jump up to get run off (get bent), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 08:01 (thirteen years ago) link

:)

I spend as much time at work avoiding my colleagues as I do actually working.

Cars and Freedom (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 08:02 (thirteen years ago) link

i think the next time someone says "you're so quiet" i'll respond with "you're so loud!"

hipsters jump up to get run off (get bent), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 08:09 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm getting better at knowing when to shut the hell up. I doubt I'll ever be very good at it.

I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 08:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Man, having spent most of my life working office jobs I can totally sympathize. Working in a record store now seems like paradise because there's literally nothing to talk about but music; even the methed out freaks selling cds they just lifted from a convertible don't get on my nerves. I guess being around spergin' record nerds and terse junkies makes me feel pretty functional.

Slade Venom Secret Police (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 08:54 (thirteen years ago) link

i think the next time someone says "you're so quiet" i'll respond with "you're so loud!"

Ha, I will have to remember this.

tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link

pretend you don't speak english

idgi fridays (blueski), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link

(hi tokyo rosemary! please be less quiet with your posting; you are missed!)

hipsters jump up to get run off (get bent), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link

I am a person who looks forward eagerly each year to my opportunity to spend from two to three weeks alone in the remotest wilderness I can reach on foot. I have a basically cheerful disposition when I am properly fed and cared for, and I do like people, but I find them ultimately quite tiring to spend a lot of time with.

The main difficulty is that other people keep desiring me to fasten my attention to whatever they are doing or thinking. They seem to think their thoughts and activities are quite fascinating. I suppose they are, up to a point. I just wish they weren't so repetitious, so perverse, so egotistical, so random and so impenetrable.

I find I enjoy more and more the sorts of people who cheerfully mouth a few simple well-worn jokes, make a few commonplace remarks on the weather, and otherwise engage in soothing and soon-finished rituals, then leave me be. Either that, or they'd better have something of substance to say.

Aimless, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link

my sisters and I were talking about this exact thing the other day. my take is that extroverts get made uncomfortable by "quiet" people and so feel compelled to try break their shell or whatever. and they are totally oblivious (prob due to lack of much introspection) to the fact that saying "you're so quiet!" is the exact wrong tact to doing this.
last time someone said this to me (a couple weeks ago) I said "ok I'll yell out randomly every couple hours then". "yes please!" was her response.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link

plus they think you're just *dying* to talk and engage with them about their stupid shit but are just too shy

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link

I took a picture of one of my coworkers schedule so I could figure out when to avoid him on the elevator (there's only one elevator at the place I work)

dayo, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link

my take is that extroverts get made uncomfortable by "quiet" people

there's probably some truth to this, where extroverts think people who don't talk much are being secretive and haughty. plus, the conventional wisdom says that solitude and quiet make extroverts depressed, bored, and lonely, while those things energize introverts. in turn, introverts find extended social situations pretty draining.

hipsters jump up to get run off (get bent), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 07:33 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i still remember my gf in hs-- who ran with a different clique before we met--telling me that they all thought i was stuck up. i was totally befuddled, cause my lack of interaction with them was do to me thinking they were TOO cool for me rather than not cool enough.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Here's my thing: I'm really, really good at interacting with people. My husband, my mother, everyone says so. The problem is that 1) I don't like talking to people, it's draining and a major chore and 2) I have to be around people constantly to keep from going insane. The happiest times in my life have been when I had lots of acquaintances and did things with them, but I still wanted to go back into my own little world and be miserable and comfortable. My depression is finally getting treated properly and my real personality is emerging; I just wish it was something other than the playful party girl that I seem to be on the verge of turning into.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 27 January 2011 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link

(hi tokyo rosemary! please be less quiet with your posting; you are missed!)

^^^^^^^ on this

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 27 January 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link

^^^ cosign

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 27 January 2011 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link


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