sadly, you have to have a bunch of rip tweets from famous people to keep the prime Pitchfork real estate
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Friday, 18 August 2023 18:52 (nine months ago) link
"sorry Gary, Snacks the cat pushed forward the discourse man, you just... don't"
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 August 2023 18:58 (nine months ago) link
The orange Maine Coon
― You have been verified with your voice (morrisp), Friday, 18 August 2023 18:59 (nine months ago) link
Addison Rae’s “I Got It Bad” Is Pretty Good
terrific headline
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 19 August 2023 10:48 (nine months ago) link
I was surprised when they reviewed Terror Twilight *twice* in the last few years. Seemed to me a bit like old habits (Pavement love) dying hard.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 20 August 2023 12:26 (nine months ago) link
it's somewhat understandable because the first was a sunday review, then the second was the reissue with new bonus material
― ufo, Sunday, 20 August 2023 13:30 (nine months ago) link
The Lyle Lovett review is really good. I loved that album in high school.
― read-only (unperson), Sunday, 20 August 2023 14:21 (nine months ago) link
Both those Terror Twilight reviews are really good, fwiw
― Cone of uncertainty (morrisp), Sunday, 20 August 2023 14:46 (nine months ago) link
That was the surprise though - at least one other album (can't remember which now) had a deluxe version that they passed over because they'd already done the Sunday review. Since then the Cure's Wish has also been understandably neglected this way (the gap between the Sunday review and the deluxe was only half a year).
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 20 August 2023 21:09 (nine months ago) link
I wonder why there wasn’t a Sunday review today.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 28 August 2023 02:08 (nine months ago) link
They sent out an email with links to 10 archival Sunday reviews and a note saying "This weekend, we’re taking a quick summer break to bring you our editors’ picks of 10 of our favorite Sunday Reviews from this year: an all-star ’80s country collaboration, the first Sunday Review of an EP, a ’90s Tejano classic, a singer who helped shaped half a century of pop music, the biggest classic rock album of all-time, and more."
― read-only (unperson), Monday, 28 August 2023 02:14 (nine months ago) link
Ah, thanks. I never signed up for their emails.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 28 August 2023 02:16 (nine months ago) link
I didn’t know they did emailsI’ve tried following them on social media, but they just continuously post links to old features/reviews
― Stoned Wheat Thing (morrisp), Monday, 28 August 2023 02:41 (nine months ago) link
Today’s Siamese Dream review has some really great parts… I didn’t realize Pfork had never tackled it. I do wish the piece had spent more time talking about other songs and how the album flows, etc.; and less time on Billy interview quotes and lyric discussion.Also, thought these bits were curious:Whether it was Perry Farrell of Jane’s Addiction, Pearl Jam, or, most famously, Kurt Cobain, he barely let an interview go by without mentioning one of his bêtes noires.Whatever he said about Cobain, it never registered with me… as opposed to his snipes at Pavement, which I thought were surely his most “famous”(?)Despite a few surface provocations to heavy metal’s machismo, “alternative” was still largely masculine, defined by heavy, menacing sounds and bellowing vocals. Pearl Jam had dared to soften up on Vs. with rough acoustic strummers like “Daughter,” and Kurt Cobain threw a cello into Nirvana’s discordant sound for In Utero, but Corgan arranged “Disarm” like he was furnishing the drawing room in an 18th-century castle: a string arrangement, church bells, a tympani.Maybe this is pedantic, but those other two albums came out after SD… this makes it sound like they preceded it.Finally, I wish they had used the original album cover rather than the reissue art (…even though I prefer listening to the remaster!).
― Disappointing cantaloupe (morrisp), Sunday, 3 September 2023 15:35 (eight months ago) link
Yeah, I hate the revised album art. The original cover is so perfect, easily the best Pumpkins artwork. Then it had to get all Billy’d up. Sigh.
― Cow_Art, Sunday, 3 September 2023 15:50 (eight months ago) link
Also, considering how the piece sets up as its theme that "the real story of Siamese Dream is the story of a sound," and spends the next paragraph focusing on the influence of MBV, it feels like a missed opportunity not to note that after months of obsessive recording, Corgan & Vig were too wiped out to mix the album – so they handed it off to MBV/shoegaze guy Alan Moulder.
I know these retrospective reviews don't have to function as Wikipedia entries – and this one seems to deliberately want to move away from the usual focus on the circumstances of Siamese Dream's production (which is totally fair) – but I think a few more lines on those details would have bolstered its own premise.
(Sorry, I have a lot of thoughts on this album!)
― Disappointing cantaloupe (morrisp), Sunday, 3 September 2023 15:58 (eight months ago) link
Today’s Siamese Dream review has some really great parts… I didn’t realize Pfork had never tackled it.
They had - Ned did a joint review of the 2011 Gish and Siamese Dream reissues. Is this the first time the "not in our archives" rule has been bended to mean "as a standalone review"?
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 3 September 2023 16:14 (eight months ago) link
Oh, apologies to Ned… will look back at that. Wonder if he mentioned MBV! ;)
― Disappointing cantaloupe (morrisp), Sunday, 3 September 2023 16:16 (eight months ago) link
i’m dredging this up from memory so it could be apocryphal or straight up wrong but one of my favorite stories about the siamese dream sessions is corgan recording “mayonaise” on a guitar that went out of tune as soon as he started playing it, which was apparently responsible for that horrible/wonderful feedback sound in the chorus
― ivy., Sunday, 3 September 2023 16:57 (eight months ago) link
also my sunday review of jimmy eat world’s clarity replaced an old bad review so like “not in our archives” has been extremely flexible for a while
― ivy., Sunday, 3 September 2023 17:10 (eight months ago) link
yeah, the story is it was a cheap guitar that created that weird sound whenever he stopped playing it. the other great "mayonaise" story is that he got the title from "looking in the refrigerator"
― ufo, Sunday, 3 September 2023 17:21 (eight months ago) link
Glad it’s not called “Pickles.”
― Disappointing cantaloupe (morrisp), Sunday, 3 September 2023 17:29 (eight months ago) link
Yeah but I thought replacing reviews that were pulled from the site years ago (because 90s or Ott) was the only flexibility. Regardless I'm all for one publication offering several perspectives on the same record.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 3 September 2023 18:15 (eight months ago) link
Ned gave SD a 10, so this new review is a downgrade
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Sunday, 3 September 2023 18:46 (eight months ago) link
Is this… serious/major touring season? (Maybe it is. I don’t go to many shows these days.)
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 12 September 2023 13:43 (eight months ago) link
Had to look at the site for context, but yeah, it's kinda bonkers out there, everyone is touring at once. Though that thing on Fork is pretty loose with the definition of "tour," or even "most anticipated."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 September 2023 13:54 (eight months ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/12/magazine/maneskin-rock-band.html
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 00:28 (eight months ago) link
lmfao
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 01:33 (eight months ago) link
by David Brooks
― soup of magpies (geoffreyess), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 04:04 (eight months ago) link
He also comes up in Jon Caramanica's piece on P. Diddy!
― with hidden noise, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 04:08 (eight months ago) link
I swear this exact article was already published
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 14:45 (eight months ago) link
maneskindela effect
― Evan, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 15:07 (eight months ago) link
Strangely, today’s retro review covers an album they straight-up reviewed before, and whose original review remains up on the site. (I remember its curious opening paragraph being flagged recently.)
― my brain goes aahhhh (morrisp), Sunday, 17 September 2023 13:39 (eight months ago) link
I see they removed the boldface phrase from the intro this time:
Each Sunday, Pitchfork takes an in-depth look at a significant album from the past, and any record not in our archives is eligible.
― my brain goes aahhhh (morrisp), Sunday, 17 September 2023 13:41 (eight months ago) link
lmao that original review
― ufo, Sunday, 17 September 2023 13:43 (eight months ago) link
Oh I see there’s a note at the very bottom:Editor’s Note: The Sunday Review series is intended to cover albums not included in our archives. This album was previously reviewed on Pitchfork in 2001. Due to an oversight, it’s been revisited here with a new essay.
― my brain goes aahhhh (morrisp), Sunday, 17 September 2023 14:02 (eight months ago) link
Why replace this kind of genius writing?
Luckily for Gillian Welch, the path to acclaim in the folk-country genre doesn’t require moving to Oklahoma, Appalachia, or a Mississippi riverbank. Nor does it call for songs about killing people, peddling crack, or mining for black ass–gold (in fact, the latter is probably anathema to the cause).
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Sunday, 17 September 2023 14:09 (eight months ago) link
'Due to an oversight'? Does that mean 'We didn't like the old review', or 'We forgot we already had a review of this up', or?
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 17 September 2023 14:15 (eight months ago) link
I like how the OG review returns to the Ice-T thing in the final paragraph, like summing up a thesis.
― my brain goes aahhhh (morrisp), Sunday, 17 September 2023 14:17 (eight months ago) link
xp would guess the latter
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Sunday, 17 September 2023 14:39 (eight months ago) link
The little intro in the Sunday Review riles you guys up like nothing else.
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 17 September 2023 14:54 (eight months ago) link
Also Ice-T was from Crenshaw
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 17 September 2023 14:58 (eight months ago) link
Ice-T was from Jersey.
― read-only (unperson), Sunday, 17 September 2023 15:57 (eight months ago) link
My theory is they saw folks clowning on the original review (when that was happening months back), and decided to commission a new one. The “oversight” line is appropriately ambiguous. But who knows!
― my brain goes aahhhh (morrisp), Sunday, 17 September 2023 17:49 (eight months ago) link
They should accidentally overlook the Bobby Digital in Stereo review
― omar little, Sunday, 17 September 2023 18:03 (eight months ago) link
lol this review, what year does this guy think it is?
This is exactly the sort of album you gift a middle-age, mid-divorce dad who’s flailing for direction as he speeds around town in his post-split sports car, cranking the Stones’ anti-romance rants....”
You can picture Dad pounding his hand against the steering wheel in time to “Bite My Head Off,” four minutes of punk so patrician that it takes a blown-out bass solo by Sir Paul McCartney for it to sound remotely tough. During “Driving Me Too Hard,” Jagger threatens to escape to Morocco or the corner bar, then concocts neologisms for crying, an emotionally unavailable man too afraid of these things called feelings to name them. What’s more, it sounds like the Eagles trying to be bland.
number one, the middle aged dad in question in 2023 would want like i dunno a new Deftones record or something...
the guy he's talking about probably would be touched you got him the CD when you visited him in his semi assisted living senior apartment complex with the grandkids
either way like work out your issues with your dad dude
but i dunno i guess writers have like 5-10 more years of boomer bashing left let em enjoy it while it lasts
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 October 2023 13:31 (seven months ago) link
maybe it's just a way for millennials to feel young again but it feels meaner than it used to
― Left, Friday, 20 October 2023 13:51 (seven months ago) link
if I was going through a divorce and feeling genuinely lost in life I'd probably be driving around listening to Cake's Prolonging the Magic or something
― frogbs, Friday, 20 October 2023 13:53 (seven months ago) link
when he said awww yeah alll right oh no I really felt that
― frogbs, Friday, 20 October 2023 13:54 (seven months ago) link
Just wait until they're in their 70s and Radiohead puts out a new album
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 20 October 2023 13:54 (seven months ago) link