Atlanta Braves 2018: Kids these days, I swear

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The conventional wisdom about the chop seems to be that it was borrowed from Florida State and didn't arrive in Atlanta until Deion Sanders was traded to the Braves in 1991. I wonder if that's true? I don't remember seeing the chop earlier, but 1991 was about the time I started watching the Braves.

Brad C., Wednesday, 16 August 2023 18:11 (eight months ago) link

No idea, I was living in Denver then. We got Braves games on TBS, but the team wasn't worth watching.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 18:26 (eight months ago) link

xp I believe that’s the story.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 18:38 (eight months ago) link

I went to Fulton County stadium a couple of times in the 80s and they didn’t do the chop… but they did have a metal teepee in the center-field bleachers from which “Chief Knock-a-homa” would emerge from time to time and beat a tomtom drum.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:47 (eight months ago) link

four weeks pass...

Kevin Pillar is on his seventh team, so he's the kind of player I lose track of; had no idea he was playing for Atlanta right now. And not all that badly for a role player; 7 HR, slugging over .400, and presumably playing good defense.

clemenza, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 20:03 (seven months ago) link

from 1992, rescued for posterity by a former ILXor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8V5Eji2MyI

Brad C., Thursday, 14 September 2023 16:51 (seven months ago) link

Too bad Strider (one more start max) won't have a shot at 300 K.

clemenza, Monday, 25 September 2023 04:02 (seven months ago) link

I'm a big Strider fan, but the lack of overall pitching in the league this year makes him one of the worst Cy Young front runner candidates in recent memory.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 25 September 2023 04:11 (seven months ago) link

I don't follow him enough to know why his ERA is almost a run higher than his FIP...bad luck? His hits, walks, and strikeouts are all good to excellent, and his HR aren't bad.

clemenza, Monday, 25 September 2023 04:23 (seven months ago) link

I'll be happy if he breaks Smoltz's K record.

I Wanna Find an ILXor That'll Flag My Last Post Till I Have To Go (WmC), Monday, 25 September 2023 12:54 (seven months ago) link

he's the most dominant guy in MLB when he's on, he's given up zero or one earned runs a dozen times. but he's given up 5+ earned runs on five occasions, and exactly 4 earned runs another five times.

omar little, Monday, 25 September 2023 16:48 (seven months ago) link

I guess that would create an ERA/FIP discrepancy, the tendency to bunch runs together rather than have them more evenly distributed. Chris Bassitt has the same issue (though he's not dominant in the same way): 10 starts where he's given up 0 or 1 run, 9 starts giving up between 4-9. (He's got the same discrepancy, although his works in reverse, weirdly enough, with his ERA much better than his FIP.)

clemenza, Monday, 25 September 2023 17:06 (seven months ago) link

I briefly wondered if inherited runners might be to blame only because I saw a couple of inherited runners score in this game & Strider buried his face in his arms at the dugout. But it looks as though I either misremembered the scoring or it was changed due to being ascribed to fielding errors which left both of these RBIs attributable to the position players.

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/717242/play/55

But it doesn’t look from the stats that the Braves really has that much more of a problem with giving up inherited runners?

So then I was like, oh maybe Fangraphs knows and so:


NB this is a couple of weeks old

But he’s been undone to some degree by his 1.11 homers per nine, which is in a virtual tie for 15th among the 26 qualified NL starters, and his 3.83 ERA is 14th.


I had noticed that only one of his 4+ ER starts didn’t have a single home run but Jesus this is some tough luck

A look at Statcast’s expected home runs leaderboard shows that he’s allowed 2.8 more than projected based on exit velocities, launch angles, projected distances, and wall heights; among pitchers who have allowed at least 10 homers, that places him in the 91st percentile. Only five of his 25 homers were no-doubters (gone in all 30 parks) and five are doubters (gone in 1–7 parks). That’s some bad luck.


Anyway some interesting thoughts on the subject

ydkb (gyac), Monday, 25 September 2023 17:37 (seven months ago) link

Still kinda hoping austin riley will get to 40 HR, a little shout-out to the first and only non-Rockies team w/three 40 homer guys ('73 braves: Hank, Davey Johnson, Darrell Evans)

omar little, Monday, 25 September 2023 17:43 (seven months ago) link

(xpost) His HR rate is up compared to last year, but I didn't seem drastically so to me. So it does sound like luck is part of it.

I remember the '73 Braves trio well--Johnson, Evans, and that other guy.

clemenza, Monday, 25 September 2023 18:59 (seven months ago) link

"it didn't seem..."

clemenza, Monday, 25 September 2023 18:59 (seven months ago) link

This team is so good that I'd forgotten that Kyle Wright, who won 21 games last year, has been basically worthless this year and they haven't missed a beat.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 25 September 2023 19:59 (seven months ago) link

Welp...the rotation's stepping on rakes at the worst possible time, down to approximately two worthy starters.

I Wanna Find an ILXor That'll Flag My Last Post Till I Have To Go (WmC), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 01:02 (seven months ago) link

that was practically the rotation for the year though, no? i was actually thinking back to how this might be the most successful 100+ win team with basically 3 SPs all year and one was garbage the second half of the season! an absolute true testament to how dominant the offense was all year.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 04:19 (seven months ago) link

Don't really get the Jeff Francoeur reference (he likes to clown around?), but this is great:

Brandon Gaudin for Broadcaster of the Year. 🤣

"So the Braves go from Johnson to Hand and the batter will be Mastrobuoni...and it's probably a good thing Jeff Francoeur is in the other booth." ✊🍆 pic.twitter.com/jVLjb6Nx3w

— Rob Friedman (@PitchingNinja) September 27, 2023

clemenza, Friday, 29 September 2023 02:10 (six months ago) link

pretty pretty impressive

The Atlanta Braves became the first team to slug .500 (.501) for a season. They tied the 2019 Twins for the single-season HR record (307). And they tied the '27 Yankees for top wRC+ (125) of all time.
'27 Yankees 🤝 '23 Braveshttps://t.co/lPxNlNTg0R

— Travis Sawchik (@Travis_Sawchik) October 2, 2023

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 01:53 (six months ago) link

I was looking at their regular nine-man lineup on Baseball Reference the other day and was awestruck. One guy with 17 HR, another with 18; two guys with 20-30, two with 30-40, two with 40-50, and Olson with 54. Every single one of them between 20-35 doubles. Not much on the bench, but unless someone gets hurt, a moot point.

clemenza, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 02:24 (six months ago) link

Even better, think of the catchers with a combined 32 instead of Murphy's 21.

WmC, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 03:28 (six months ago) link

atlanta absolutely pillaged the a's for murphy and olson

ozzie signing an absurdly undervalued contract surely helped, but they are smart like tampa + money

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 03:45 (six months ago) link

This is great hate-read content

H.P, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 03:45 (six months ago) link


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