Post a controversial music opinion

hole > nirvana was a classic ilx opinion from back in the day

I'm just wondering which Hole album is the "merely okay" one and which didn't even get counted at all. guessing we can discount Nobody's Daughter (I haven't heard that one) but genuinely can't guess if Pretty On The Inside or Celebrity Skin is the "merely okay" one.

Celebrity Skin is wonderful and almost the equal of LTT.

here I'll challop into this'n then, both hole and nirvana, throughout their catalogues, are aesthetically hamstrung by lead singers whose singing is quite bad & both bands would have been well served by better singers

That's not controversial, it's merely wrong

I don't get why Dionne Warwick passed up the chance to front Hole.

Maybe grungey singers aren't your taste?

she peered into the future and didn't like the outcome she saw

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Kid LAROI performed drunk in a bar (as the rest of the fest was canceled).

That's not controversial, it's merely wrong

Maybe grungey singers aren't your taste?

they're not, actually

i know Celebrity Skin pretty well (good but not in Nirvana's league imo) but never heard LTT afaik. so i just cued up Miss World and Doll parts. Holy shit.

"Gutless"!

^ ah, ok, this is much more comparable to Nirvana than the other 2 songs i heard

i was thinking Doll Parts and Miss World are snatching away the classic rock torch from Guns N Roses or whoever and stamping it out, casts the classic rock worship of certain grunge bands in a very different light, Nirvana not really the best comparison

whatever, this record is amazing.

Kind of wild, those songs were big hits in constant rotation at the time.

I love Live Through This— I have written about it. It changed my life, absolutely desert island disc for me

i was 10 years old at the time and entering into a deep Van Halen phase. still not sure how i missed it.

I have written about it.

feel like sharing (or elaborating)?

"phase" haha

Hole were a better band than Nirvana and deserve the latter's place in The Canon(TM).

― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Sunday, September 23, 2018 5:26 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Not interested in the question of which band was “better” but LTT is undeniably a far superior album to In Utero.

nevermind and LTT are even in my book. both have great songs. a few not great songs. overall, both pretty awesome. though i feel like LTT definitely gets me more emotional. It's a powerhouse.

here's an olde-tyme ILM type of statement that i still believe:

This Is Big Audio Dynamite is better than any Clash album.

i was 10 years old at the time and entering into a deep Van Halen phase. still not sure how i missed it.

_ I have written about it. _

feel like sharing (or elaborating)?

also i agree with you scott, i think The Clash are most certainly among those bands who are fine, but who have never lived up to their reputation imho

The first 3 Big Audio Dynamite albums are incredible, but in their second era they shit the bed harder than the Clash ever did.

Here is a link

Damn ♥️

Also, thank you.

Kurt Kobain was a great singer. Courtney Love is a charismatic vocalist but couldn’t sing her way out of a paper bag.

Eh, I dunno about that.

There were so many genuinely great, charismatic rock singers around during that era (Glenn Danzig, Chris Cornell, Angelo Moore to pick just three) that singling out anyone as ordinary as Cobain or Love feels like special pleading.

those are controversial opinions!

as a rejoinder: Fishbone are unlistenable

I'm a big fan of scream-singing where the melody and lyrics are still intelligible, must be hard because a lot of singers are not great at it. Courtney should be in the 90s vocal hall of fame for Violet alone.

Yeah I mean Angelo Moore is a great singer but to be like “Courtney Love is nothing compared to him” is like comparing apples to oranges— Love was playing a commercialized version of riot grrrl grunge, and Moore was fronting a glorified ska-funk band. There is deep pathos and real character to both of their voices, but they operate in different ways because of the whole package of what they were a part of.

Fishbone are unlistenable

counterpoint, Reality of My Surroundings is a stellar album

As is Truth and Soul

I've never listened to a Fishbone album but I did once mistakenly buy a Thelonious Monster album. It sucked so bad.

i'm pretty sure that in the 80s i thought bands like fishbone and rhcp were joke bands! like novelty acts. i probably would have lumped them in with kid creole and oingo boingo. i didn't realize how brilliant kid creole and the kid creole family were at the time. i can't know everything right away. my own personal novelty acts were fun boy three, bow wow wow, adam & the ants, wide boy awake. anyone wearing a pirate hat i guess. but the funk-rock thing...i guess it didn't sound that dope to me. not like haysi fantayzee...(god i was a moron...)
(any ska rock after the specials and the 2tone crowd sounded like joke rock to me too. like roman holiday or the polecats.)

Fishbone were the best live band on the planet from 1984 to 1992. Their shows were incredible, even when they didn't have the 2 Live Crew as an unannounced opening act (as they did the first time I saw them, at the Palladium in NYC).

My only controp I can think of today: Chuck Mosley > Mike Patton

I view both eras differently and enjoy both

I used to watch SNL reruns during summer break in middle school and the one with Fishbone truly blew my mind. Their studio albums are good but it was hard to get into them knowing how insane they were live. To tell the truth I think Ween are kinda similar in that aspect.

yeah the SNL performance was an utter triumph. saw it the night it aired and it just blew me away.

there have always been fishbone fans on ilm! and faith no more fans. and ween fans. i don't know about oingo boingo fans...is ned an oingo boingo fan? it's nice though. the fandom. i'm a fan of the fandom of bands i don't listen to. don't ask me why. devo fans are cool. true controversial fact: i have never listened to a devo album.

Me neither. I have a friend who’s a big fan though

Freedom Of Choice rules, go get it immediately

Are We Not Men? and Freedom of Choice are both amazing records that sound like they were made by two entirely different bands. And...that's all the Devo anyone needs. (Controversy!)

I kind of co-sign that, I’ve never felt like I needed to go beyond those two albums

Oingo Boingo has come up because of the recent relaunched KROQ polls, they came up in 1985. I don't think there has been much fandom on ILM, just observation.

xp i am at min 30 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhz3RpyBRs0

*recollects*
i've done everything wrong. but at least i still really dislike rhcp.