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thanks!

budo jeru, Saturday, 15 July 2023 00:09 (ten months ago) link

which is totally the wrong approach

by the way, i totally hear you, but it's okay to do a little bit of both!

budo jeru, Saturday, 15 July 2023 00:09 (ten months ago) link

ime seeing octogenarians in concert does not always reap dividends. especially rock shows, i'm not talking about Cecil Taylor.

Deflatormouse, Saturday, 15 July 2023 03:21 (ten months ago) link

I like the first track on the first Legião Urbana album, “Será,” so I guess I should listen to the rest of it.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 13:09 (ten months ago) link

Or I could just listen to that one track on repeat, which would suit me just fine.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 13:13 (ten months ago) link

Será is their biggest hit prob – that's the one I mentioned being covered (with success as well) by samba/pagode bands.

fpsa, Saturday, 15 July 2023 15:07 (ten months ago) link

Assuming their second biggest was “Tempo Perdido,” is that correct?

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 15:43 (ten months ago) link

And hey, TIL that in Portuguese the Duolingo Legendary Level is called Titãs.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 15:52 (ten months ago) link

LU's "Índios" seems to briefly melodically quote "Chantilly Lace."

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 16:07 (ten months ago) link

You might be able to tell that I am listening to the Mais do Mesmo comp. Great title.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 16:10 (ten months ago) link

Also learned the other day that the lead singer of Legião Urbana, Renato Russo, died of AIDS-related complications, as did Cazuza, as did one of my favorites from Argentina who also had ties to Brazil, Federico Moura of Virus.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 16:15 (ten months ago) link

So I guess Herbert Vianna of Os Paralamas do Successo, who crashed his plane into the sea, thereby killing his wife, confining himself to a wheelchair and suffering serious brain damage, got off relatively easy.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 18:24 (ten months ago) link

Believe he was flying to visit his friend Dado Villa-Lobos, grand-nephew of Heitor and guitarist for Legião Urbana.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 18:26 (ten months ago) link

haha great posts so far.

tempo perdido was a big hit but I think it got bigger recently (15 years) as well. Indios is great as well.

paralamas has a big hit with 2 Argentinian versions: Fito Paez (Trac Trac BR / Track Track AR) and Los Pericos (Para e Repara BR / Parata Y Mira AR)

titãs has transformed Patches (Clarence Carter) and made one of their biggest hits with Marvin, a reggae-ish song

fpsa, Saturday, 15 July 2023 19:25 (ten months ago) link

nenhum de nós biggest hit (or one of the biggest) is a Starman cover – called Astronauta de mármore (Marble Astronaut)

fpsa, Saturday, 15 July 2023 19:26 (ten months ago) link

I realized that “Marvin” was a cover of “Patches” when I first heard it, although I thought it might be just a ripoff. I know about the Fito Paez cover but haven’t really listened to it. There was a recent Fito Paez series on Netflix but I heard it wasn’t so good so I haven’t watched it. Fito first became known to me when one of his songs was used in a Coke commercial that ran over and over during the 2002 World Cup, at least in the US.

Paralamas also did a cover of the most famous song of Latin American Rock en Español, Soda Stereo’s “De música ligera” which is the first thing I heard from them and is atypical and kind of bad. Think they ultimately did succeed in making some inroads in Argentina, which may have kept them afloat during some lean times in Brazil.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 20:03 (ten months ago) link

To my earlier point, looks like somebody even wrote a book comparing Cazuza and Federico Moura.

https://www.tiempoar.com.ar/espectaculos/adrian-melo-federico-moura-y-cazuza-le-pusieron-color-y-alegria-al-rock-como-una-resistencia-a-la-dictadura/

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 20:13 (ten months ago) link

Of course there is also at least one book about Cazuza and Renato Russo.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 20:17 (ten months ago) link

nenhum de nós biggest hit (or one of the biggest) is a Starman cover – called Astronauta de mármore (Marble Astronaut)

Is it any better or worse than the Seu Jorge version in The Life Aquatic?

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 20:32 (ten months ago) link

Also it is my understanding and I have been told that there was basically little cross-pollination between Brazilian bands and those in the rest of Latin America due to a musical version of the Treaty of Tordesillas, as evidenced by the two different MTV Latin Americas.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 20:37 (ten months ago) link

“The VJs must have been drunk!”

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 20:37 (ten months ago) link

lol ahahaah that's so funny. it's not all MTV's fault to be honest – there were attempts of showing stuff (like café tacvba, they got some cult following in Brazil). I think it's a longer, older cultural fault in a sense where some of it stems from radio programmers thinking spanish pop (outside of Julio Iglesias or other) was not gonna be a hit in Brazil.

btw I think the Soda Stereo cover is not Paralamas, is done by Capital Inicial – which is one of the truly worst bands ever, but unfortunately, huge in Brazil (especially after doing an MTV Unplugged 15 years after their heyday. MTV Unplugged also being a huge lifeline to most of these artists)

Good unplugged records from Brazil:
– Gilberto Gil one is godlike.
– Rita Lee is kinda cool as an overall view on her work, not the greatest...
– Legião has a good one as well.
– Another guy you haven't mentioned yet, Lulu Santos. A huge hitmaker, has really great songs. But I would suggest picking up a greatest hits from 88 first.

fpsa, Saturday, 15 July 2023 22:42 (ten months ago) link

I have a soft spot for the Nenhum de Nós version tbh.

fpsa, Saturday, 15 July 2023 22:43 (ten months ago) link

btw I think the Soda Stereo cover is not Paralamas, is done by Capital Inicial

They both did it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJHmlxL57cU

Don’t think either one is quite as bad as Coldplay though.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 22:50 (ten months ago) link

I have a soft spot for the Nenhum de Nós version tbh.

Of “De música ligera”? Never heard it. Me, I’m partial to the version by Los Tres Chiflados.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2023 23:03 (ten months ago) link

Gilbert Gil MTV Unplugged (Ao Vivo) starts with a Paralamas song! Thanks for the rec!

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 July 2023 01:28 (ten months ago) link

Rita Lee’s “Lanza perfume” sounds like The Doobie Brothers or something.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 July 2023 01:35 (ten months ago) link

Legião Urbana Acústico MTV doesn’t seem to be streaming but is in certain places on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdPt7m928NI

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 July 2023 01:50 (ten months ago) link

Rita Lee’s “Lanza perfume” sounds like The Doobie Brothers or something.

Sorry, “Lança Perfume.” Although it was apparently also ubiquitous on the Spanish-speaking of Latin America.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 July 2023 14:41 (ten months ago) link

it is a ripoff (at least the intro) to what a fool believes. it's the better song tho! <3
I suggest actually listening to all things Rita first things first

damn never heard the paralamas version, eugh.

fpsa, Sunday, 16 July 2023 15:12 (ten months ago) link

THey must have been pretty hard up at the time.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 July 2023 15:30 (ten months ago) link

This video is insanely of its time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L60qWVke-Sc

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 July 2023 15:34 (ten months ago) link

It's even more funny because such an innocuous clip for a song that mixes up one of the most common drugs used in Brazil plus a pretty sexed up lyric:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lan%C3%A7a-perfume
https://lyricstranslate.com/en/lanca-perfume-lanca-perfume.html (not a great translation, but gets the drift)
https://healthland.time.com/2010/12/02/whats-lanca-perfume-the-biggest-drug-in-rio-youve-never-heard-of/ (not in Rio only btw)

fpsa, Sunday, 16 July 2023 16:50 (ten months ago) link

The Paralamas Fito Paez song is … okay, but maybe not the best use of their talents.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 July 2023 20:21 (ten months ago) link

Será is their biggest hit prob – that's the one I mentioned being covered (with success as well) by samba/pagode bands.

There seems to be symphonic live version with Legião Urbana having Herbert Vianna of Paralamas singing. Assuming this with done after Renato Russo passed.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 05:18 (nine months ago) link

This was done

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 05:18 (nine months ago) link

Then there’s this version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0oPBI5hoEo

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 05:20 (nine months ago) link

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerto_Sinf%C3%B4nico_Legi%C3%A3o_Urbana_-_Rock_in_Rio
In addition to the one with Herbert Vianna on vocals there seems to be a multi-vocalist sing-a-long at the end.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 05:23 (nine months ago) link

I see others versions by Simone, Tiee, Daniel and Raça Negra.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 15:24 (nine months ago) link

Listening to Legião Urbana now, “Que país é este.”

I was talking about the song itself, not the album. Paralamas also did a good version for their Acústico MTV album.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 00:15 (nine months ago) link

Which album Dado Villa-Lobos played on.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 00:17 (nine months ago) link

Lots of covers of “Tempo Perdido,” although there are also other songs with that to add confusion.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 00:37 (nine months ago) link

With that title.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 00:37 (nine months ago) link

Including one by Paolo Ricardo, the lead singer of RPM, not that I know anything about either apart from the names. Maybe the first, self-titled Legião Urbana album was originally supposed to be called RPM, but they had to change it because the other band had just put out a record.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 10:15 (nine months ago) link

Eh, not quite. The album title in question that RPM used so Legião Urbana couldn’t was Revoluções por minuto.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 10:22 (nine months ago) link

Just noticed that Paolo Ricardo’s second solo album Psico Trópico was produced by the famous, the infamous or at least ubiquitous and omnipresent Liminha, who first came to fame playing bass in Os Mutantes on their third album and then went on to produce tons of albums including classics like Paralamas’s Selvagem? and Titãs’s Cabeça Dinossauro in 1986 alone.

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 10:37 (nine months ago) link

leave RPM behind, they're bad

fpsa, Wednesday, 19 July 2023 15:16 (nine months ago) link

Simone getting a Latin Grammy Lifetime Achievement award.

https://www.grammy.com/news/latin-recording-academy-announces-2023-special-merit-award-honorees

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 16:58 (nine months ago) link

Muito obrigado!

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 20:53 (nine months ago) link


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