Beer in the new era

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When I was going to Jazzfest in New Orleans every year in the 90s and early 00s, pre- craft beer boom, finding Liberty Ale available in the notoriously funky Saturn Bar on St. Claude was an amazing discovery.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 12 July 2023 19:24 (ten months ago) link

oh man it's been a tradition for some time now that my BIL buys a 6 pack of the Christmas ale for us to split every year when we come over for the holidays

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 12 July 2023 19:46 (ten months ago) link

Saturn Bar! Love that place. Bummer about Anchor, for a long time it was just a legend to me, it was exciting when their distribution reached the Southeast. Hard to overstate its importance in launching the "new era," it was what every aspiring brewer in the '90s would point to.

This is very sad news, I did two tours there when I was living there. It's a big part of San Francisco and very sad to see it go.

Bee OK, Thursday, 13 July 2023 00:37 (ten months ago) link

Reactions from San Francisco:

https://www.sfgate.com/food/article/san-francisco-reacts-to-anchor-brewing-closure-18197647.php

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 13 July 2023 00:40 (ten months ago) link

I checked my corner store today to see if they had any Anchor on sale... some kind of 'tropical hazy IPA' and a 'mexican style lager with lime flavoring', that was it

I know it's a competitive market, but more than a few of us are looking for anything that's NOT a hazy IPA or flavored beer

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 13 July 2023 00:43 (ten months ago) link

100%

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 13 July 2023 00:45 (ten months ago) link

shasta otm, the smart thing to do would be for someone to buy the brand and rebuild it as a local go-to. trying to be any bigger than that feels like a death sentence these days.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 13 July 2023 01:37 (ten months ago) link

that video dan m posted is really neat. 1989 and places like Anderson Valley appearing is surprising to me.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 13 July 2023 02:34 (ten months ago) link

Was tempted to go tonight but I also figured it would socked in. As a friend from the UK was visiting I suggested Cellarmaker instead, and it was a hit.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 July 2023 04:01 (ten months ago) link

I'm bummed Cellarmaker closed that SF taproom. Did they reopen in Oakland yet? Or did you go to the pizza place?

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 13 July 2023 12:06 (ten months ago) link

That was actually the brewery there in SOMA. The landlord raised their rent which is kind of nuts as that area has been a ghost town since the pandemic. So Cellarmaker purchased The Rare Barrel's space in Berkeley and transferred brewery ops there (ultimately they will open a taproom there as well). The Oakland location in Jack London Square is opening soon (early August).

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 13 July 2023 13:08 (ten months ago) link

I posted in this about it 9 years ago but I'm 99% sure that the first craft beer I ever had in my life was an anchor steam that Trey Anastasio gave me backstage at a Phish show when I was 18.

joygoat, Thursday, 13 July 2023 14:17 (ten months ago) link

So Cellarmaker purchased The Rare Barrel's space in Berkeley and transferred brewery ops there (ultimately they will open a taproom there as well).

"ultimately" = tomorrow at noon! That was much faster than expected.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 13 July 2023 15:29 (ten months ago) link

lol joygoat, that is a perfect story.

I'm pretty sure anchor steam was my first as well, though in a far less glamorous setting.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 13 July 2023 15:46 (ten months ago) link

That was actually the brewery there in SOMA. The landlord raised their rent which is kind of nuts as that area has been a ghost town since the pandemic. So Cellarmaker purchased The Rare Barrel's space in Berkeley and transferred brewery ops there (ultimately they will open a taproom there as well). The Oakland location in Jack London Square is opening soon (early August).

Thanks, I knew they had closed there, but didn't know the story. I really liked that location, super chill, good brewery vibes day and night. I was planning on going again when we are back in SF in December.

Shame about Rare Barrel. One of my friends was way into their stuff.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 13 July 2023 15:59 (ten months ago) link

i don't think that cellarmaker is stopping rare barrel's sour program. you can get both there!

wmlynch, Friday, 14 July 2023 04:58 (ten months ago) link

That would be excellent.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 20 July 2023 23:18 (nine months ago) link

Yeah, I wish them luck.. hopefully some silicon valley billionaire can cough up some capital to get them started

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 20 July 2023 23:25 (nine months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Toppling Goliath makes a good beer, but hey, fuck 'em. Same happened to Noon Whistle (a good suburban Chicago brewery I used to drink) not long back. They hosted some Republican asshole, then when they got pushback from fans pulled the "we're just a business making a living, hosting this guy is not necessarily an endorsement, free speech, both sides, we're neutral, open minds, blah blah." And the usual conservative assholes then respond to the response with "oh, so now who's the intolerant ones?" And so on.

Ultimately, it's just such an unforced error. Iowa might be a red state, but it's not overwhelmingly red, just run by the usual red bullies these days. Why alienate the other 40% or so?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 August 2023 15:44 (nine months ago) link

What's interesting to me about that is that the one time I visited Decorah (on a road trip from Minneapolis-St Paul to Chicago), I felt it less red-state-y than the surrounding areas. But that is bad optics for TG, I could see some fall out among their distro outposts in urban areas.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 10 August 2023 15:48 (nine months ago) link

I'll be at the big beer fest in Madison this weekend (even though I'm not drinking), kinda hope they'll be a boycott of their booth. I'm sure most people will be unaware though.

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Thursday, 10 August 2023 15:51 (nine months ago) link

lol I just talked to someone from Decorah on the phone at work

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 10 August 2023 15:54 (nine months ago) link

xpost You should try and visit New Glarus, just 30 minutes away. It's a nice self-guided tour, and you can get some good unique to brewery beer there.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:52 (nine months ago) link

Yeah, deceptively flying vulnerable migrants all over the country pretty much demands a disinvite

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:57 (nine months ago) link

Lol Josh, I live in Madison and have def been to New Glarus a few times, thanks though. My band is playing at the fest. Looking forward to the Untitled Art N/A beers (best in the land).

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Thursday, 10 August 2023 18:29 (nine months ago) link

Those Untitled Art ones are even ending up around Portland.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Thursday, 10 August 2023 19:24 (nine months ago) link

xpost I had no idea! My daughter goes to school there. We're moving her back in next weekend, otherwise this fest would have been fun.

Untitled Art is great. If you haven't had it, I recommend Roaring Table (out of Lake Zurich) and Hop Butcher (especially of you like NEIPAs and DIPAs).

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 August 2023 19:33 (nine months ago) link

It appears... (based on some financial filings that were screenshotted to me in a slack group)... that Anchor will be back as a co-op sometime soon.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 17 August 2023 04:18 (nine months ago) link

I paused thinking, Wait, were the new-ish house beers at Hopleaf Untitled Art? But no, they were from Art History, and I really liked both of those a few weeks ago.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Thursday, 17 August 2023 04:32 (nine months ago) link

I love Art History, another one nailing lagers and the like. They put out a really good ... Czech dark lager?

The other day I had a Grodziskie beer, and oof, not my thing. By design, really light, bubbly and low-alcohol, which are all fine, but also smokey, which made it taste like drinking a kielbasa. I assume all smokey beers are kind of controversial, but this one was especially not my jam.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 August 2023 12:02 (nine months ago) link

Speaking of Czech lagers, this is probably more "Beer in the Old Era", but to an American traveling within Prague, these variations on beer culture were quite a shock.

During my first night at a Vinohrady burger joint, I noticed servers distributing glasses of a local Pilsner-style lager called Unětický Pivovar 12° that were 2/3 foam, and one glass that was all foam. I asked my server about this, and they pointed me to a diagram of 3 types of beer pours. I eventually tried the 2 alternative pours, and damn, they are definitely worth investigation.

https://www.hopculture.com/the-proper-czech-pours-the-best-foam-youll-ever-drink/

Front-loaded albums are musical gerrymandering (Prefecture), Thursday, 17 August 2023 12:55 (nine months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Drinking a 2012 Bourbon County Stout. Tastes fine.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 22:40 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

Sounds like Metropolitan Brewing in Chicago is closing, too bad.

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Monday, 13 November 2023 16:52 (six months ago) link

Despite being a huge fan of the modern era of beer (lots of local breweries, a sense of adventurousness in style), I really miss having good estery British ales like London Pride available. And it seems impossible to get a good flavourful beer that isn’t some variation on a sour/fruited/novelty-flavoured beer or of an IPA. The occasional porter pops up, but even they — and certainly all the stouts — are usually some kinda saguaro-limestone-toothpaste imperial bourbon breakfast cereal thing. Fuck, dudes, can ya just brew a solid ESB nowadays ffs?

The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 13 November 2023 17:23 (six months ago) link

Not sure where you're located but English milds are having a bit of a renaissance on the west coast urban centers. My local even has at least one or two on cask.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Monday, 13 November 2023 20:00 (six months ago) link

I've had a couple of great ones lately. "Thatch Whistler" from Roaring Table 'round here is excellent. There are a handful of breweries specializing in lagers and the like, or at least all things not IPA or pastry stout or whatever.

Re: Metropolitan, feels like there's been a wave of closures lately. It's too bad, but maybe there's only so much room for so many breweries, especially since many of the ones closing (Metropolitan aside) I've never even heard of!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 November 2023 20:22 (six months ago) link

Dying at saguaro-limestone-toothpaste imperial bourbon breakfast cereal thing... so true

My local brewery did a brown ale recently with no novelty ingredients, and named it Nobody Cares.

Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable POST (Dan Peterson), Monday, 13 November 2023 20:35 (six months ago) link

Not sure where you're located but English milds are having a bit of a renaissance on the west coast urban centers. My local even has at least one or two on cask.

― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Monday, November 13, 2023 12:00 PM

MacCloud brewery in Van Nuys (Los Angeles) closed their second location recently, and announced that they will likely be gone entirely soon. They specialized in British style cask ales. I think they over-extended themselves, first with a restaurant location that never happened, then the one that did. The pandemic didn't help.

nickn, Monday, 13 November 2023 21:05 (six months ago) link

An English Dark Mild on cask is an instant order for me, but so rare in my experience.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Monday, 13 November 2023 21:35 (six months ago) link

After being a hazebro for most of the last 8 years, I've been making a conscious effort to expand my palate again. I've been drinking a bunch of Rothaus Pils "Tannen Zapfle" and Weihenstephaner Festbier for the last couple of weeks and loving the change.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Monday, 13 November 2023 21:39 (six months ago) link

Oops, that's MacLeod brewery.

nickn, Monday, 13 November 2023 21:45 (six months ago) link

three months pass...

https://i.imgur.com/5xigM3n.jpg

Where have you been all my life

calstars, Sunday, 18 February 2024 18:36 (two months ago) link

Dunno about that one

H.P, Sunday, 18 February 2024 22:12 (two months ago) link

The other day I had a Grodziskie beer, and oof, not my thing. By design, really light, bubbly and low-alcohol, which are all fine, but also smokey, which made it taste like drinking a kielbasa. I assume all smokey beers are kind of controversial, but this one was especially not my jam.

I really like these (and Sketchbook's in particular), though the friend I tried it with didn't like it at all as well. I've had a few smoked lagers since, American and German Rauchbiers, and dug them as well. Kind of surprised they didn't have a moment in the 2010s when smokiness was featured in so many condiments, especially having that barrel-aged flavor without the syrup-ness of barrel-aged stouts.

paisley got boring (Eazy), Monday, 19 February 2024 00:42 (two months ago) link

To each his own but for me there’s no better clue to “pass” on a menu listing than “smoked”

I’d just as soon as have smoked Gouda or something at home instead of in a beer gag

calstars, Monday, 19 February 2024 00:56 (two months ago) link

Assuming that post wasn't from me, I had one of those smoky beers some months ago, and boy was it gross.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 February 2024 00:58 (two months ago) link

“Smoked lager” is a thing blue point brewing offers and vomits

calstars, Monday, 19 February 2024 01:07 (two months ago) link


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