You can come and embrace my free-floating tastefulness and feel its ubiquity
― Nabozo, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 10:33 (nine months ago) link
I think the best Jack Antonoff indictment was that clip that was going around on twitter where someone listened to a new Taylor Swift album and was able to identify whether he produced the song within the first ten seconds of audio
― mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 14:33 (nine months ago) link
It's because of his tag: "If Antonoff don't trust you I'm gon' sue you"
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 14:36 (nine months ago) link
Remember when Jack Antonoff made his fans walk through the room he jacked off in like 5,000 times
https://www.spin.com/2017/05/bleachers-jack-antonoff-bedroom-trailer-tour/
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 15:12 (nine months ago) link
ant jackenoff
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 15:20 (nine months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY1RsDpRmIU
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 15:26 (nine months ago) link
i barely know anton
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 16:18 (nine months ago) link
there was a debate in the 00s! it wasn't jets vs sharks because one side found the choreography inauthentic.
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 16:20 (nine months ago) link
a fierce debate raged among music critics between proponents of “rockism,”
Did anyone actually think of themselves as a proponent of "rockism"?
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 16:24 (nine months ago) link
history written by the victors iirc
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 16:38 (nine months ago) link
no rockist would ever admit to being one, they just think they're right
― ivy (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 16:39 (nine months ago) link
anyway i only read about half of that antonoff piece but even if i disagree with the particulars it felt decently-written and argued
― ivy (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 16:40 (nine months ago) link
lol this is like someone talking about a debate between the groomers and the freedom lovers.
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 16:41 (nine months ago) link
morrisp feeling attacked out here
I don't even really care about the subject matter or "argument," I just thought it was so poorly written that it physically repulsed me.
― Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 16:42 (nine months ago) link
i lol'd at "He is often an abuser."
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 16:48 (nine months ago) link
Rockists disliked the label (obv, it was perjorative) but there were absolutely tons of ppl signed up to the ethos, don't really need a monicker when your stance was basically just conventional wisdom. There's a few embarassing threads you can hunt down where some of them had a go at diagnosing "popism" (before the also bad poptimism label was coined).
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― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 16:52 (nine months ago) link
anyway, i shouldn't read this thread because i hate almost all writing about music, but i will say i agree the piece is bad. it feels of a piece with a lot of recent online criticism in that it uses lots of jargon and fancy language without really saying anything. i kind of hate writing that takes it self so seriously but is ultimately vacuous and just a front for some half-baked non-ideas
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 16:54 (nine months ago) link
"there is still no neat place for the producer in the mythology of pop music."
one paragraph later:
"In the history of pop, the producer’s place is clearer."
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 16:55 (nine months ago) link
it's important that people have a space to write "kids today don't appreciate real music" every so often tho
― orcas who sign their posts like it's a freaking email (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 16:57 (nine months ago) link
kids today pay to look at people's toes
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 16:58 (nine months ago) link
most toe fetischists I've known had great taste in mysic ftr
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 17:08 (nine months ago) link
And music.
it does seem to continually hedge its bets instead of actively saying something about anything, yes
― ivy (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 17:13 (nine months ago) link
yesterday, i talked to a 19 year old kid - a very nice kid - and he liked metal - lots of bad metal but he's 19 - and somehow he started talking about how "real music" played by people playing instruments was more valid and harder to make than taylor swift music blah blah blah and i wanted to ask him if he was secretly one of my regular old beardo customers in disguise cuz he was 19 and wasn't he weaned on cloud rap and all that but i just let it go. we talked about trumpers instead. a safer topic. the rockists are born young!
― scott seward, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 19:03 (nine months ago) link
School of Rock alum, obviously.
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 19:10 (nine months ago) link
to be fair scott, you do live in the boonies. limited cell service. maybe he was born in a shack
― Gerard Grisey Funk (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 19:31 (nine months ago) link
i think young people sense pretty early on that music is something that people use for status and for sex. and young people pitting their ideals and their art against a crass, materialistic society is a story that's rather old and definitely not unique to rock N roll. so i think certain aspects of rockism are likely to recur just as a process of identity formation
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 20:27 (nine months ago) link
I’ve always found a lot of this debate strange, frankly.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 12 July 2023 01:48 (nine months ago) link
"how quickly we forget alex in nyc"
Fuck is that supposed to imply?
― Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 20:16 (nine months ago) link
They forgot you didn’t like bad music writing.
― Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 01:21 (nine months ago) link
Alex, think imago was just citing you as the main person pushing back against early ILX's love of commercial pop, don't think it was meant as a diss?
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 19 July 2023 09:38 (nine months ago) link
I wasn’t sure if Alex’s comment yesterday was leaning into that for comic effect.
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 19 July 2023 09:39 (nine months ago) link
A shirt I wear while posting to ILX that reads “I’m with Alex in NYC”
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 11:20 (nine months ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jul/21/new-labour-1997-rave-culture-ed-gillett-book-extract
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Friday, 21 July 2023 15:53 (nine months ago) link
Worst music tweeting 2023:
Snoop Dogg has canceled two of his forthcoming concerts at the Hollywood Bowl in solidarity with the strikes that are completely unrelated to what he does as a musician. https://t.co/SdS5LqRUEj— Rolling Stone (@RollingStone) July 25, 2023
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 July 2023 19:40 (nine months ago) link
this is not the worst but it does read a bit like a very high person seeing the lighthttps://www.stereogum.com/2230948/big-thief-pitchfork-festival-2023/reviews/concert-review/
― corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 08:21 (nine months ago) link
Good thread about that piece:
This is so unbelievably condescending. The fact that he’s like “I’m not trying to slam the writer” in this thread yet implies said writer is “too young” to write a piece with good musical references and has “brain worms” is pretty abhorrent tbh pic.twitter.com/9n5R5BbCcs— Grant Sharples (@grantsharpies) July 25, 2023
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 09:26 (nine months ago) link
as someone who is not sold completely on the band big thief, i thought it was a nice piece? personal, self-aware, not overbearing, something v sweet about it. as a reader was able to understand a bit more what i'm missing and also clarify what turns me off.
― devvvine, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 10:00 (nine months ago) link
I hated that piece, happy to continue to steer clear of BT.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 11:21 (nine months ago) link
to be more specific, i am not sure that the writer’s style choices are very interesting— the debatable point about autofiction and the self-mythologization of “the fan” comes into play— but i also left the review totally unclear as to what Big Thief sounded like. the author even makes casual mention of Big Thief songs (“you know the one”), as if the piece is written solely by and for people like the author. it simply isn’t good writing!
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 11:50 (nine months ago) link
the piece successfully conveys that big thief are goofy hippies, but not that their music is so transcendentally good that that becomes an endearing quality instead of an annoying one
― ufo, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 11:59 (nine months ago) link
I think it’s a cute piece, but yeah I’m not really sure who it’s “for,” and also what ufo said.
― Empty Tushy Fills (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:12 (nine months ago) link
It just seems like the writer is saying that unlike a lot of popular indie acts these days, Big Thief is a band in the old fashioned sense of that. That Perpetua is like "what about Fugazi or Jam Bands?" is missing the point.
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:31 (nine months ago) link
\no editor i've met would let me get away with any of the "stylistic flourishes" in that piece, and they'd be right to stop me
― ivy., Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:40 (nine months ago) link
Never having heard them, my takeaway from the article is that they're Edie Brickell and the New Bohemians for Gen Z?Also I hope the writer soon realizes the fine line between cute and irritating.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:45 (nine months ago) link
and as a closer, the raucous stomp-along of “Spud Infinity” was — speaking in the strictest dictionary definition of a “hoot and a holler” — a hoot and a holler.
:|
― ivy., Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:47 (nine months ago) link
As usual I blame the uh infelicities in this piece on editing, which includes perhaps nixing the idea entirely. That said, Perpetua was wrong to shame such a young writer.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:49 (nine months ago) link
oh don't get me wrong, perpetua should take a long look in the mirror, genuinely one of the most embarrassing people to ever do it
― ivy., Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:52 (nine months ago) link
just can't help thinking that if i, as a young music writer, were indulged in this way, all of my pieces would be unreadable, and a great number of them already are (to me), and i think one of the jobs of the people who read these pieces before they upload them to the internet is to make them less embarrassing for the writer's sake, so they can look back with pride on their work and the collaboration that resulted in it
alas
― ivy., Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:54 (nine months ago) link
exactly
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:56 (nine months ago) link