Taking Sides: the TLS v. the LRB

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Yes, that was funny.

Guess who's back?

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n14/patricia-lockwood/where-be-your-jibes-now

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 6 July 2023 09:22 (ten months ago) link

I wish I had Lockwood's incredible confidence in her middling comic bits.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 6 July 2023 13:15 (ten months ago) link

i started reading that and then i wondered why i would do such a thing.

scott seward, Thursday, 6 July 2023 18:54 (ten months ago) link

I enjoyed the essay but it did feel sort of like she'd only handed half of it in?

bain4z, Friday, 7 July 2023 08:37 (ten months ago) link

There's a lot of good stuff, but the shtick is getting shtickier, kind of like Anthony Lane's did, although her non-shtick is much better.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 7 July 2023 17:55 (ten months ago) link

Absolutely fucked how DFW was obsessed by Thatcher?! Never gonna bother with this guy.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 7 July 2023 22:24 (ten months ago) link

I normally enjoy lockwood's none more subjective 'this is how I experience the world' shtick but if you find you don't experience the world in that way or if you want a more, say, level headed approach it can be tiresome. don't know how much dfw I read back in the day, not much, some short stories and essays maybe. she doesn't make me want to read more - the quote she picks in the penultimate para? yeesh.

a holistic digital egosystem (ledge), Saturday, 8 July 2023 07:36 (ten months ago) link

never really stuck for me, tho i did get some of the way into IF - maybe gave up at the point lockwood highlights. v uneven piece. hard going, almost incomprehensible in places with occasional little bolts of critical lightning.

Fizzles, Saturday, 8 July 2023 08:47 (ten months ago) link

I would read this article, but my LRB subscription stopped some time ago. I should try to resume it.

the pinefox, Saturday, 8 July 2023 09:18 (ten months ago) link

At one point that piece was kinda trolling ilx 2001 where we were all into big bulky books by AMERICAN MEN

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 July 2023 10:30 (ten months ago) link

It occurs to me that from my own particular POV, Lockwood vs DFW is like Katharine Birbalsingh vs Jess Phillips.

the pinefox, Saturday, 8 July 2023 12:59 (ten months ago) link

would pitch in to crowdfund renewing pinefox's lrb subscription

flopson, Saturday, 8 July 2023 14:21 (ten months ago) link

i watched this 2003 dfw interview from german tv on youtube last night. i think it's one of the worst videos i've seen. he's so visibly uncomfortable. the interviewer asks these vague and "deep" questions that keep him going over the same topics. there are 5 questions in a row about how drugs in infinite jest are a metaphor for contemporary american corporate capitalism. as someone who occasionally feels nostalgia for the 2000s, it made me very relieved that the decade is now far in the rear view mirror

this supercut that compiles all his nervous tics from the interview is one of my favourite videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqmIAbHXr0Y

flopson, Saturday, 8 July 2023 14:29 (ten months ago) link

Goings on in African colonial wars are something I often shy away from bcz it's so so grim but this is a pretty good piece on a book that's handling quite a lot of material and a fairly big cast of characters across many territories.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n12/kevin-okoth/poison-is-better

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 July 2023 14:51 (ten months ago) link

*cough* if you use the Tranquility plugin for Chrome, you can read the LRB articles.

(picnic, lightning) very very frightening (Chinaski), Sunday, 9 July 2023 13:01 (ten months ago) link

two weeks pass...

assigned reading merch!

https://londonreviewbookbox.co.uk/collections/books-for-the-next-twenty-years

scott seward, Monday, 24 July 2023 01:39 (nine months ago) link

Article on Spotify

If I’m not mistaken this mentioned a longtime ILM poster and data wizard.

o. nate, Thursday, 3 August 2023 02:12 (nine months ago) link

Keith Watson?

the pinefox, Thursday, 3 August 2023 13:33 (nine months ago) link

Glenn McDonald. He used to do those amazing stats for ILM EOY polls.

o. nate, Thursday, 3 August 2023 15:00 (nine months ago) link

last posted here five days ago :)

mark s, Thursday, 3 August 2023 15:08 (nine months ago) link

I have restarted my subscription to the LRB, and read most of issue 27.7.2023.

Florence Sutcliffe-Braithwaite on nuclear attack: sobering, but I don't see why she disparages the author as a 'tourist', and she is wrong to suggest that the main lessons we can learn from past nuclear fear are about climate change, rather than the dangers of war now. Strange to do this while a nuclear power is at war on the edge of Europe and the risk of nuclear annihilation is the main reason that NATO countries aren't fighting.

Deborah Friedell on J. Edgar Hoover is remarkably clear, readable, entertaining, balanced. It made me think slightly, it's curious that they leave an English person to review this very US topic, then I realised or remembered that Friedell is actually American.

the pinefox, Saturday, 5 August 2023 08:58 (nine months ago) link

the seamus perry piece that revisits e.waugh in 10.8.23 (v45 no16) is useful, at least to me, in a "why i never need read further waugh"* for (i) establishing that the adjective is "WAVIAN" and (ii) locating perhaps the tartest demolition of EW's moral worldview via (of all ppl) his son auberon, courtesy the tale of the three bananas

*i have read scoop and pinfold, both a very very long time ago

mark s, Monday, 14 August 2023 15:57 (eight months ago) link

I finish, at last, LRB 18.5.2023. This included rereading the whole of Adam Mars-Jones on James Purdy, which is often so good that I can imagine I'd like to read it again one day, when I've forgotten it for a second time. I can't think of any reviewer so fastidious with phrasing. Even down to the last paragraph's throwaway notion of 'some obscure outfit operating in the wilds of Godalming'.

the pinefox, Saturday, 19 August 2023 07:44 (eight months ago) link

I missed this in print. Aged 80, TE still writing judiciously.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n13/terry-eagleton/be-like-the-silkworm

the pinefox, Saturday, 19 August 2023 07:55 (eight months ago) link

Oh, now I want to read that article on Purdy. Love his work.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 19 August 2023 11:55 (eight months ago) link

Lol that review was hilarious.

Amos’s character shifts sharply, no longer a pure lover destined for one man but a seducer across a broad front. He captivates a millionaire with no previous responsiveness to his own sex, but who is soon saying, ‘I just love you, that’s all there is to it, and I could drink your come in goblets,’ a style of compliment that is unlikely to catch on.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 19 August 2023 12:14 (eight months ago) link

Very gd piece on Richter, and how this critic thinks and writes of him. There is quite a bit on Capitalist Realism and the 'third way'.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n16/malcolm-bull/squeegee-abstracts

It's one of these pieces where you know a bit about it beforehand, and you learn just a bit more afterwards.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 22:34 (eight months ago) link

LRB 10.8.2023. An issue containing much bad, irritating or boring material.

I started reading Malcolm Bull on Gerhard Richter, couldn't bear it, was glad to realise I didn't really have to go on.

James Meek in Ukraine at least worthy and informative, though not enjoyable. Reliable Tom Stevenson agreeably critical of a UK diplomat.

Worst thing in the issue must be Seamus Perry's superfluous, pointless lengthy display of indulgence towards Evelyn Waugh, who comes across (though Perry doesn't seem troubled) as arrogant, obnoxious, superficial and delusional. Space wasted that could have been given to others who don't get representation.

The one unusual positive: Randall Kennedy on affirmative action, writing with lawyerly care and rigour about the issue and advancing his own view. None of the usual slack, self-indulgent LRB rhetoric, just clear statements adding up to persuasive arguments. I could wish that much more writing, in places like the LRB, was like this.

the pinefox, Sunday, 3 September 2023 16:29 (eight months ago) link

Paul Keegan's piece in the latest LRB reviewing the Penguin compilation of French short stories is really thorough, diligent: about the stories and their authors, what is missing, what shouldn't be in, the sequencing among other editorial choices (criticising an LRB contributor now and then!), it's many varieties of short story, both from the earliest days of French literature to the present, both from France and it's colonies.

Really showing the world here.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 September 2023 20:45 (eight months ago) link

I read a recent TLS, including Oliver Herford on Browning's THE RING & THE BOOK in a new scholarly edition from Longman, via Routledge.

The review was very well turned and communicated what Browning's poem is about. So now I know something I didn't.

the pinefox, Monday, 11 September 2023 16:00 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Good low-key clowning of Peter Singer by Lorna Finlayson, and the best criticism of his basic enterprise that I've come across.

behold the thump (ledge), Monday, 2 October 2023 07:38 (seven months ago) link

I found myself in a rather Pinefoxian mood disapproving of all the swearing.

Piedie Gimbel, Monday, 2 October 2023 07:53 (seven months ago) link

some people *are* arseholes though!

behold the thump (ledge), Monday, 2 October 2023 08:23 (seven months ago) link

Have just come across this 2001essay via twitter:

Halfway through, it's astonishing..

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v23/n04/wynne-godley/saving-masud-khan

xyzzzz__, Monday, 2 October 2023 19:05 (seven months ago) link

do I need to read about some fucking orwell y/n

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 6 October 2023 14:35 (seven months ago) link

i know colin burrow is is a bit deprecated round here but tbh i enjoyed his dyspeptic scepticism on this overworked topic

also i liked learning that mr decency planned tortures for his enemies in the bath of a morning: i count myself to sleep sheep-style by imagining the terrible ends of mine (includes no ilxors)

mark s, Friday, 6 October 2023 14:43 (seven months ago) link

Have just come across this 2001essay via twitter:

Halfway through, it's astonishing..

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v23/n04/wynne-godley/saving-masud-khan🕸


a friend of mine posted this in a poets Discord about two years ago— it is really intense!!

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 8 October 2023 22:04 (seven months ago) link

Yeah, read this over the weekend. Wow. A couple of lines from Masud floored me ('have you ever thought about killing yourself? You wouldn't know who to kill' being the most devastating). Made me think of similar things that were said about Lacan. What a monstrous prick.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 9 October 2023 19:15 (seven months ago) link

Amazed he re-built his life after that.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 October 2023 19:39 (seven months ago) link

Piece on Schulz really good on Jewish writing and thought in decaying European empire, as well as the strange afterlife of his visual art.

Wiltold Gombrowicz’s and Bruno Schulz's mutual appreciation across the years.

Gombrowicz said they 'were effectively conspirators'. pic.twitter.com/MVM2JLaTQO

— Brian Davey (@b_davey) October 18, 2023

xyzzzz__, Friday, 20 October 2023 20:41 (six months ago) link

Adam Shatz of @LRB blocked me because I asked why they would not invite a Palestinian to write about their conditions. https://t.co/vabUkolY0l pic.twitter.com/f93DfqxJ28

— Abdalhadi Alijla عبد الهادي العجلة (@alijla2021) October 21, 2023

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 21 October 2023 20:48 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Patricia Lockwood meets the Pope

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 14:07 (five months ago) link

wake me up when she meets the pinefox :)

mark s, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 14:09 (five months ago) link

I found it typically sparky at the sentence level but strangely hollow or formless. I suppose it is just a diary piece. In the same issue the piece about Switzerland's erstwhile goiter problem was much more interesting.

organ doner (ledge), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 08:59 (five months ago) link

Lockwood at her lolrandom! worst. I am now desperate for a social situation into which I can drop my Swiss goitre knowledge; it will probably happen in about 8 yrs' time, when I've forgotten most of the detail.

fetter, Monday, 4 December 2023 13:57 (five months ago) link

yeah lockwood is best when you can tell she is trying to write something accurately that you can assess - like her updike piece. lolrandom! is a good description for when her zany descriptions are not ways of making strange something you already have some familiarity with. When she says somehting like 'I felt like a small child trying to imagine Mariah Carey lyrics in Spanish' (or whatever) this is totally pointless unless there's something it manages to weirdly nail. If you're relying on it for an account of something you don't know about already its less than helpful.

plax (ico), Monday, 4 December 2023 16:11 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

Just sorta looked through at the Xmas issue.

See Alan Bennett's life is apparently so boring that he hasn't written the diary. Pretty obvious read into this and it's kinda sad even though I never engaged with it

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 January 2024 11:40 (three months ago) link

Otherwise Meek on Prestige TV is fine enough. It probably needed someone with a sharper grasp of US TV history to write it. Read fine but felt there were gaps I can't put my finger on rn.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 January 2024 11:42 (three months ago) link

i believe it's a genuine normal diary, i.e. entries made daily at the time, so it probably is *written* -- just that he feels it doesn't catalogue anything worth publishing publicly

(agree re the sad read of the situation: he is 89 and not particularly strong or well)

the katherine mansfield essay is great (in that it relays what a bonkers weirdo* she seemed**, and that biographers have been unable to agree on which of the many tales she told abt herself are true and which false -- tbh i know her entirely from being one of the authors re-published by virago press in the 70s and 80s, i've never read a word)

*yes i know this is super unkind and dismissive of possible (indeed likely?) causative trauma, but she was not exactly a fount of kindness herself (e.g. towards her faithful companion ida)
**virginia woolf hated and envied her, in which feud i am already very much on mansfield's side, full story be damned

mark s, Thursday, 11 January 2024 11:52 (three months ago) link

(to be clear i have also read very little virginia woolf, im a total imposter when it comes to the literary canon)

mark s, Thursday, 11 January 2024 11:54 (three months ago) link


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