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― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 14:58 (ten months ago) link
i did not remember that antoine walker was on that heat champ team
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 15:06 (ten months ago) link
antoine walker & jason williams were both starters on that team and gary payton was the main bench guy w/ posey. bizarre stuff
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 July 2023 15:17 (ten months ago) link
toine shot 6-17 and 0-6 from three in the clinching game, he went out a legend
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 July 2023 15:18 (ten months ago) link
lol
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 15:19 (ten months ago) link
man those box scores are crazy
43 and 36 for wade in the final 2 games shooting 37-46 from the line lmfao
shaq put up 9 points and 12 boards on 4-11 shooting in the clincher
he averaged 14 and 10 in that series on only 9 FGA per game ... talk about a finals performance that has been lost to history
and now closing these tabs before i get no work done for the next 2 hours
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 July 2023 15:22 (ten months ago) link
oh
Milwaukee Bucks star Giannis Antetokounmpo underwent a cleanup procedure on his knee two weeks ago and is uncertain for Greece’s FIBA World Cup play this summer, sources confirm.— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) July 5, 2023
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 July 2023 15:49 (ten months ago) link
remember to get your knees cleaned every now and then
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 15:50 (ten months ago) link
putting it on my todos
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 15:54 (ten months ago) link
clay we need an update on how the dame sitch is playing in portland
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 16:09 (ten months ago) link
that reminds me, are they still paying Giannis's brother?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 July 2023 16:36 (ten months ago) link
blazers beat writer for the oregonian…
As I’ve been saying … Damian is going to Miami. https://t.co/8yGf0KOaaA— Aaron J. Fentress (@AaronJFentress) July 5, 2023
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 July 2023 16:36 (ten months ago) link
idk
Ahh, but I have been for three years. I called all of this in 2020. The Blazers didn’t get the job done. Lillard wants out and has the power to determine where. Now the Blazers and Miami must figure it out.— Aaron J. Fentress (@AaronJFentress) July 5, 2023
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 16:38 (ten months ago) link
does he really have power to decide? hes under contract for 4 years and they could just say fuck it and let him mope while they tank and rebuild until they get an offer that makes sense for them.
― slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Wednesday, 5 July 2023 16:47 (ten months ago) link
even if dame doesn't have a no-trade clause, he has the 'soft power' of being universally respected around the league and loved by the fans. if there's a way to get him to the heat it'll happen, because if it takes a multi-team deal to smooth the way, then gms on other teams will look at hopping onto this trade as an opportunity to shift their rosters around, remove redundant players, dump contracts, or improve their future assets.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 July 2023 17:13 (ten months ago) link
his team is obvs working a gambit to depress the market which could work, especially if the market isnt quite as strong as one might think anyway due to the aforementioned contract/age/injury sitch, feel like if miami could get four firsts and offer some swaps it might be close enough so portland just says fuck it, fwiw portland has said they want a good player back and theyre going to take offers from everyone so idk if theyre serious about that or what, all the noise seems to be coming from dames camp at this point but if you take what the blazers have said seriously theyre not just going to ship him to miami cause he wants it
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 17:17 (ten months ago) link
i feel like the subtext of this whole situation is that front offices believe that the best player on your NBA team (especially one of dame's stature) is so important to everything you do as a franchise that if that player is pissed off about having to show show up to work for you, it just makes the entire enterprise untenable. i think this contrasts w/ football or baseball where you're one of 30 or 80 players, by definition players in those sports have less leverage than NBA players... NFL QBs can prob do this kinda stuff but that's about it. maybe if like mike trout was being traded the angels would work w/ him -- but also those sports have real free agency which NBA owners decided to kill in favor of giving their best players contracts they can't say no to
i'm not saying i agree w/ that line of thinking or that a team shouldn't challenge this convention. but all the reporters who repeat front office conventional wisdom back to the public in so many ways all seem to be in alignment that if you're acquiring a superstar face of the franchise type guy, he needs to be all in w/ your team or else it's not worth doing the trade. it's the same song & dance we went thru w/ KD who was also under a 4 year contract & unlike dame had the added benefit of fitting on any roster in the league. and yet the bidding for him was a 2 or maybe even 1 team market
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 July 2023 17:21 (ten months ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, July 5, 2023 11:36 AM (forty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
they sure are. I know he's bad but I still kinda like him. maybe its just because I have a Pavlovian response to seeing him out there, since he only comes out when the Bucks are up 20+ (also when they're down that many, but that doesn't happen too often). plus he's really good at fouling people
― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 17:23 (ten months ago) link
all that stuff about needing the star to be happy is true but if youre looking at tyler herro and two miami firsts for dame i think you can afford to wait and see if anything changes
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 17:28 (ten months ago) link
unless miami can work some magic to get a decent offer together he prob should just expand his list of acceptable teams, there are other nice teams its doesnt have to be the heat
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 17:29 (ten months ago) link
gotta say too if i were the blazers front office this media blitz would be pissing me off, as would dames timing on the trade demand, mr loyalty straight fucking you over in multiple ways
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 17:31 (ten months ago) link
he prob should just expand his list of acceptable teams
he can afford a wait and see attitude for now. once it's apparent that miami and pdx have hit a wall and can't find a mutually acceptable path forward, but one or more other offers are acceptable to pdx, then he can give his input on the remaining destinations. at least that's what I'd do.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 July 2023 17:37 (ten months ago) link
yeah
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 17:40 (ten months ago) link
maybe if like mike trout was being traded the angels would work w/ him
MLB is such a different beast, there really isn't a such thing as an "untradeable" player since WAR is a pretty solid metric that tells you exactly how much a guy is worth, and baseball is a sport where no one guy can singlehandedly get you into the playoffs. I mean if there was it would be Ohtani who is having one of the most insane seasons in MLB history and still the Angels probably won't make it. it's pretty rare that a Top 10 NBA player just doesn't make the playoffs, idk I might be a little worried about what Dame can really do for you at this point, especially since he may be entering that phase in his career where he's just hurt a lot of the time
― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 17:43 (ten months ago) link
here a question could you get two firsts for herro jovic and jaquez, doesnt seem out of the question, but theyd prob be shitty heavily protected first, is portland willing to trade dame for picks that could easily just be total air
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 17:44 (ten months ago) link
miami mightve had an easier time if dame made his request a few days earlier too lol
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 17:45 (ten months ago) link
yeah i think the compensation aspect of the heat’s offer is being overplayed. it’s true that teams such as brooklyn, knicks etc can offer more picks & better picks but i think the heat will alter the protections on the pick they owe to OKC which frees up a third of their own firsts. i think herro can be spun for a first, even if it’s not a premium pick. so that’s 4 firsts plus jovic and/or jacquez… i think the heat can make a pretty fair offer in terms of picks & players. like i said earlier i think the real issue is that the blazers want to get off nurkic’s salary, and if brooklyn is involved they’ll want to get off simmons, but the heat bcuz of the second apron have no interest in taking on even more money on top of dame’s contract which is the craziest contract in the trade even as bad as those other contracts are
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 July 2023 18:04 (ten months ago) link
yeah i think if they can get to four firsts and salary relief thats looking a lot better
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 18:05 (ten months ago) link
reading the tea leaves at the moment i feel like this is headed towards something like
miami gets damebrooklyn gets herroportland gets 3 firsts and jovicspurs get nurkic + a first okc gets simmons + a first
i picked those last two teams just bcuz they're the obvious cap space teams but there's prob other teams who'd be willing to play that role. but i think there's one or two teams brought in to take on the bad money in exchange for some of the draft compensation that would otherwise all go to portland
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 July 2023 18:14 (ten months ago) link
three firsts and jovic is pretty rough, particularly in the context of the other recent big trades
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 18:15 (ten months ago) link
i think something more like one of those other firsts and jaquez goes portlands way and one of those other teams gets two seconds
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 18:17 (ten months ago) link
I hear jovic can create an advantage immediately, if that helps.
― New No-No Bettencourt (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 5 July 2023 18:19 (ten months ago) link
yeah. i'm just spitballing. but i do think if they want to move off nurkic they have to relinquish one of the firsts that will be in the deal. maybe one of their own goes out heavily protected. there's prob a thousand different permutations. i just don't see how the heat can take on nurkic + dame... the heat are getting the best player but they also have a legitimate argument that taking on a contract paying a guy $60m per year is also worth something too
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 July 2023 18:19 (ten months ago) link
i personally wouldnt do even the best version of that deal if i were portland just cause the firsts are gonna be bad, you really want all unprotected picks in this deal, and preferably non miami ones, tho i guess theres an argument to be made that once dame and jimmy age out miami will be bad, but i just wouldnt trust the heat to bottom out
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 18:22 (ten months ago) link
doubt protland will send a first out with nurkic if only for appearances sake, you really want to make it look like you got as much as possible
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 18:23 (ten months ago) link
if i had a $20 billion net worth thanks to microsoft i would just say, yeah we can keep nurkic around in exchange for more draft picks. but i don't have $20 billion so what do i know
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 July 2023 18:23 (ten months ago) link
gotta get $20b then let us know
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 18:24 (ten months ago) link
when the heat traded for dragic they gave up a protected pick (2018) and unprotected pick (2021)
funnily enough both those picks were used to get mikael bridges -- the 2018 pick became no 16, which phoenix used to select zhaire smith who was obv flipped w/ miami's 2021 first for bridges
that 2021 first ended up being no 18 overall -- okc ended up w/ that pick eventually and took tre mann
the heat also traded a first in the butler deal -- at the time the reports said it was miami's 2023 lottery protected first but obviously miami drafted w/ their own pick outside the lottery so i have no idea what happened there. reverse engineering trade protections and stuff is a bit wacky
According to source: Heat's 2023 first-round pick dealt to the Clippers is lottery protected in 2023. If doesn't convey in 2023, also lottery protected in 2024. If doesn't convey in 2024, also lottery protected in 2025. Then unprotected in 2026.— Anthony Chiang (@Anthony_Chiang) July 2, 2019
moral of the story is that the recent history of the heat's picks are that they're late lottery to mid first round at best and if you have the pick and not them you're prob looking mid first round
as you say you could make the argument their downside of a butler/dame era is prob greater than past years but ppl were saying that about the heat in that weird waiters era and it never played out. here's same vecenie writing in 2018 about how the heat's 2021 unprocteted pick is "extremely valued leaguewide," funny article to read back in general
https://theathletic.com/407741/2018/06/25/why-the-unprotected-2021-miami-heat-first-round-pick-is-an-incredibly-uncertain-yet-valuable-asset-league-wide/
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 July 2023 18:41 (ten months ago) link
lol good find
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 18:48 (ten months ago) link
best thing about dame and harden situations is we have something to speculate about during an otherwise dead period
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 July 2023 18:52 (ten months ago) link
the dame situation is mostly annoying bcuz it just needs to be done w/
the harden stuff is amazing theatre tho i hope it drags out all summer
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 July 2023 18:59 (ten months ago) link
rumors that both garland and siakim are available too, could be a big nba offseason
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 19:02 (ten months ago) link
idk why toronto is trying to be competitive unless it’s an ownership mandate. i like siakam for basically every team in the league, they should cash him in
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 July 2023 19:09 (ten months ago) link
Some rumblings that current FAs are waiting on the Dame situation before signing. :\
― Last of the Mojitos (Leee), Wednesday, 5 July 2023 19:10 (ten months ago) link
absolutely xp
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 19:10 (ten months ago) link
would also not be surprised to see jaylen brown dealt this summer, tho itd be tricky for the celtics to find the right deal cause theyre trying to contend so fit becomes a much bigger deal they cant do a picks trade etc
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 19:15 (ten months ago) link
but still they gotta be looking at that supermax hes due and taking a long think
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 19:16 (ten months ago) link
the fact that there’s been zero news on that extension is quite bizarre
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 July 2023 19:19 (ten months ago) link
beat guys are saying "the want to get other things in place first" which doesnt make any sense or that theyre working out the details like if theres a player option etc which is a lil more believable but yeah cant trade him once hes signed and he has not been signed
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 19:21 (ten months ago) link
im sure that if they sign him they would like for it to be for less than the supermax which i suppose is not impossible
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 19:23 (ten months ago) link