Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

non-reactionaries need a far better model of the reactionary mind, as most Discourse on this shit doesn’t have an accurate idea what motivates voter behavior, or even voter whim

It begins with o and ends with s

The middle part is wnthelib

It begins with o and ends with s

The middle part is wnthelib

Well yeah, _ressentiment_ is certainly a core part much of it, but it doesn’t explain why some would go for DeSantis and some for Trump. And how many people are just regular GOP voters out of some vaguely understood habit of voting GOP because that’s what they’ve done for decades.

frogbs otm except about their money. I walk among Cuban McMansions with Trump or DeSantis signs every morning

― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, June 30, 2023 12:21 PM (forty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

sure but the dynamic going on with Cubans in Florida is a very different thing entirely, idk if I understand it really but I've heard they really do push the "everything left of George W Bush is COMMUNISM!!" angle hard

I've worked some blue collar jobs and it did occur to me that you could accurately predict who was left or right leaning based on the amount of shit they gave you if you slacked off/came a few minutes late/didn't hit your target. some people were like "this job sucks" and others were like "my coworkers suck" and its the people in the latter category who always seemed to be particularly upset about Barrack Obama

sure! I'm just reminding of you of the difference!

i.e. rich people like Trump

Biden communist About 12,100,000 results (0.44 seconds) xpost to frogs

I mean, I think Dem = Communist is hardwired into conservative rhetoric now

74 million people voted for trump. I'm not sure outlining the psychology of the "average trump voter" is anything more than solipsistic fantasizing.

OTOH, Arlie Hochschild's Strangers in Their Own Land attempts to explain the specific resentment of benefits/entitlements that both frogbs and Alfred mentioned and her main points are fairly solid. But it is imo pretty flawed; most unforgivably, she simply takes her white xtian GOP louisianan interlocutors' word for it that they aren't motivated by racism

Dem = Communist is hardwired into conservative rhetoric now

The irony is that so many of the FDR policies that are now considered 'communist' (social security, new deal, WPA etc.) were promoted explicitly to avoid communism which was much more of a threat in the 1930's than it is now

somehow the overwhelming irony of so much of US politics never seems to make any difference to how people vote

Ironocracy

Always nice to see it made explicit

Donald Trump says he's a target of special counsel's criminal probe into 2020 election aftermath | CNN Politics https://t.co/AWXSCayEfL

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) July 18, 2023

countdown to post saying this doesn't mean anything and he'll never be indicted in 3,2...

For those who don't want to go to the other failing social media site owned by a fascist. pic.twitter.com/3F0nah2bqR

— emptywheel (@emptywheel) July 18, 2023

At this point the numbers are getting kind of abstract. 34 indictments in NYC, 37 in Florida, that's 71 indictments, with more in the way, apparently re: Jan. 6 and, one presumes, in Georgia. Plus whatever other ongoing Sword of Damocles stuff we've forgotten about.

At what point does the party cut him loose? Never?

Only when he hits a million indictments.

If he loses again and takes out down ticket Rs, I don't see them nominating him for 2028, but he is a lock for 2024.

They can't nominate him in 2028 unless they're explicit about ignoring the Constitution (which, you know).

I think they can if he loses in 2024.

of course at that point he'd be 82.

They can't nominate him in 2028 unless they're explicit about ignoring the Constitution (which, you know).

no because he'll be dead

or we will

Choices choices

no because he'll be dead

I generally wish for an Ariel Sharon situation with this guy, a long, long, LONG period of brain death that will keep his family and hangers-on distracted and infighting for many years.

He would still get the nomination

He may even be more electable

Well, he'd be quiet. We'd only hear the gurgling from the machiens.

*machines.

"And a good day to you, sir!"

I've probably said this before but I'll say it again to get it on the record: when Trump caught COVID, I experienced a terrifying premonition of Ivanka in a tell-all interview tearing up while she talks about how hard it was seeing the entire estate sold off piece by piece to pay her father's creditors.

Terrifying? This sounds amazing.

Somebody got ketchup all over a Dead Sea Scroll

Ancient artefacts sent from Israel to the US four years ago on a short-term basis and intended for display at a White House event have ended up at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, according to a report.

It is not clear how the artifacts ended up at Mar-a-Lago, or whether Trump is aware they are on the premises.

lol

This is straight out of a super villain origin story

At this point the numbers are getting kind of abstract. 34 indictments in NYC, 37 in Florida, that's 71 indictments, with more in the way, apparently re: Jan. 6 and, one presumes, in Georgia. Plus whatever other ongoing Sword of Damocles stuff we've forgotten about.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, July 18, 2023 8:56 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

🎶 On an award tour, with Mohammad my man 🎵

Ancient artefacts sent from Israel to the US four years ago on a short-term basis and intended for display at a White House event have ended up at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate

Obligatory melting nazi jpg

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Lol Raymond

NEWS—

A federal judge DENIES Trump’s motion for a new trial in the E. Jean Carroll case — and his request to reduce the $5 million verdict. pic.twitter.com/H8aRHuMWQA

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) July 19, 2023

One interesting thing Josh Marshall pointed out about the Jan. 6th case is that it is the one we know the least about in terms of evidence. We really don't know yet what kind of communication or coordination was going on behind the scenes. There's a real possibility it could implicate other politicians beyond just Trump. Obviously we'll have to see.

Happy to see shit piling up on him and making him squirm, but I still can't help but feel a little skeptical. Like Aileen Cannon seeming to signal during her questions yesterday that she's going to delay the classified documents trial until after the election.

What did she say that seemed to signal that?

A delay like that could definitely happen, that's not the only trial being lined up though.

https://news.yahoo.com/experts-jack-smith-latest-move-181707108.html

xpost - I can't find the article I read last night, but basically she kept framing her questions in a way that she thinks a trial this year is far too soon for such a complex case:

Cannon zeroed in on arguments that the “voluminous” discovery in the case meant that the trial likely could not start by the mid-December date proposed by the prosecutors.

She had very granular questions for prosecutor Jay Bratt about the status of the production of discovery and the amount of evidence the defendants will have to sift through. She also grilled him on whether the cases that Smith’s team was pointing to as examples of similarly expedited trial schedules were truly comparable to the case that has been brought against Trump.

In a back and forth with Harbach, Cannon described the discovery as “voluminous.” Pointing to the security footage that’s been turned over to the defense, Cannon noted to the prosecutors that the defense team will want to review more than just what the Smith team had identified as the key parts of the video evidence.

To be fair, she also apparently pushed back a little on Trump's team trying to delay it "forever", but she didn't seem sympathetic to a trial starting before 2024. We'll see.

That is probably justified in a case involving classified documents. It's mind-boggling that the DOJ slow-walked everything relating to Trump's Presidency and brought its first case on stuff that happened a year or so after he left office. And is now signalling a Jan. 6 indictment 5.5 months before the primaries start. Way to run your own clock down.

Oh yeah, that has been frustrating as well. I also just am generally skeptical about a Trump appointed judge hearing this case anyway.