does this mean harden wasnt getting offers?
― Spottie, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:15 (ten months ago) link
the only team that was a possibility really as far as having the cap space and maybe wanting him was houston, idk what happened with that, it was a very weird idea tho
― lag∞n, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:19 (ten months ago) link
i was thinking he was prob going back to philly but i guess they didnt want to cut the check
― lag∞n, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:20 (ten months ago) link
wouldn't be surprised if the knicks were the third team in a harden deal, but idk why they would attach themselves to that albatross when they're finally starting to re-establish themselves as a franchise people might actually like playing for
― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:26 (ten months ago) link
i think they might do it cause theyre the knicks
― lag∞n, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:27 (ten months ago) link
nice of him, good guy
Haynes says Jayson Tatum lobbied for the league to change rules around two-way contracts, specifically to help his friend Harry Giles. From the article:"I reached out in support," Tatum told B/R. "Just trying help my guy. He deserves this shot." https://t.co/xoQl1QVCAz— Cameron Tabatabaie (@CTabatabaie) June 29, 2023
― lag∞n, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:28 (ten months ago) link
Harden, KD, and Kyrie have combined for 7 trade requests in less than two seasons.Historic numbers.— Erik Slater (@erikslater_) June 29, 2023
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:34 (ten months ago) link
god bless
― lag∞n, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:36 (ten months ago) link
they just keep delivering
― nobody respects the chair (Spottie), Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:40 (ten months ago) link
do i dare ask how it's possible to add kyrie to the suns financially? or are they just going to shoot into the 10th apron in NBA outer space?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:43 (ten months ago) link
i think they have limited ability if they s&t ayton to dallas and kyrie makes less than ayton, but its a very remote possibility
― slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:44 (ten months ago) link
they could only sign minimums outside of the 4 players probably lol
― nobody respects the chair (Spottie), Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:44 (ten months ago) link
i dont think they can even do a sign and trade under the new rules
― lag∞n, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:44 (ten months ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fz0HzcYWcA4ozQd?format=jpg&name=small
― nobody respects the chair (Spottie), Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:45 (ten months ago) link
would be an incredible choice to trade for harden following the unmitigated success of 1 season with brunson
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:52 (ten months ago) link
leon rose has done a solid job of keeping dolan at bay, but it would be very in character for dolan to leap back into action after tasting the slightest modicum of success (like when he demanded the carmelo trade and broke up a pretty fun amare-led team, even tho melo was 1000% gonna sign in the offseason either way)
― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:54 (ten months ago) link
all the more confusing!
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 29 June 2023 23:33 (ten months ago) link
wait i meant to post this too lol
Given that Harden cannot be extended after being traded, it means he's going to be a UFA next summer, when he'll turn 35. Barring a complete rejuvenation, I'm not sure the market's going to be what he's hoping it will be.— Derek Bodner (@DerekBodnerNBA) June 29, 2023
prob hoping whoever trades for him will re him up, wonder what philly offered him
― lag∞n, Thursday, 29 June 2023 23:47 (ten months ago) link
do you mean next summer? that would be interesting bcuz the whole thing w/ the sixers was him taking less last summer so that they could sign tucker and danuel house (lol) before getting his max from them this summer. except clearly that offer never materialized, one has to imagine. unless he just wants to leave philly so badly that he’s leaving $100m+ on the table but that seems highly unlikely
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 29 June 2023 23:52 (ten months ago) link
Seems like they woulda at least offered 3/75 or 4/80 or something
― nobody respects the chair (Spottie), Friday, 30 June 2023 00:18 (ten months ago) link
Sacramento Kings forward Harrison Barnes – a key part of the franchise’s rise into Western Conference contention – has agreed on a new three-year, $54 million contract extension, his agent Jeff Schwartz of @Excelbasketball tells ESPN. pic.twitter.com/JCT4RUayt7— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 30, 2023
― nobody respects the chair (Spottie), Friday, 30 June 2023 00:19 (ten months ago) link
everyone seemed to think the point of them selling their pick for cap space was to get someone better than him
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 June 2023 04:27 (ten months ago) link
sam amick article in the athletic about the harden business essentially says the rockets decided weeks ago not to pursue harden & the huge offer he thought he was getting from the sixers has not materialized. that coupled with an apparent lack of clarity from morey is what is now driving harden to want out amick also says in the piece that morey is giving philly’s punishment for tampering last offseason as the reason why he can’t divulge his plans with harden but the implication is that morey is using that as a shield while he essentially lets harden come to realize that there is no market for him on a huge longterm deal simmons makes the correct point on his podcast that nothing in morey’s history would tell you that he’s about to trade harden for, i.e., norm powell, marcus morris and picks or some of the fake trades that are floating out there now. he also makes the point that finding a star-for-star trade partner for harden that would make sense for both the acquiring team & philly is essentially impossibleand of course the possibility that this becomes ben simmons 2.0 is the absolute funniest outcome of the harden acquisition
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 June 2023 06:49 (ten months ago) link
morey might have to just take the L on this one idk, unless he wants to send maxey out with harden, hes got one first he can trade too, lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 June 2023 12:25 (ten months ago) link
what’s the explanation for opting in if he wants to be traded?
― k3vin k., Friday, 30 June 2023 12:26 (ten months ago) link
opting in is the only path he has to getting to the clippers since they could never sign him outright as a free agent
― call all destroyer, Friday, 30 June 2023 13:37 (ten months ago) link
oh right
― k3vin k., Friday, 30 June 2023 14:32 (ten months ago) link
i will hand it to daryl for not putting a max offer or whatever in front of harden after last year’s debacle in the playoffs, but acquiring harden in the first place was always going to end up in a playoff debacle so….
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 June 2023 15:14 (ten months ago) link
yeah i was thinking about that, like turning ben simmons into harden into ??? is going to be an interesting series of transactions to evaluate.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 30 June 2023 15:39 (ten months ago) link
sixers seem pretty fucked
― k3vin k., Friday, 30 June 2023 16:36 (ten months ago) link
ben simmons is a sad headcase who seems doomed to be washed out of the league
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 30 June 2023 16:41 (ten months ago) link
morey being patient and getting harden is very big "be careful what u wish 4" energy
― slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Friday, 30 June 2023 16:59 (ten months ago) link
he couldve had haliburton, according to league sources
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 June 2023 17:03 (ten months ago) link
b/w morey fumbling haliburton, clippers trading sga to get paul george, and the suns trading mikal bridges, i dont know how long it will take for teams to realize that maybe they can build a contender with young stars if they're patient. owners just want the instant gratification of a new toy.
― slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Friday, 30 June 2023 17:07 (ten months ago) link
yeah one would think the sentiment will shift at some point but some teams will always want the stars
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 June 2023 17:09 (ten months ago) link
yeah the PG and KD trades were both defended by everyone in the media, following the lead of their league sources, w/ the logic of "well if you can get one of those guys you simply have to do it. the NBA is about getting those guys" but you know it turns out that maybe you don't actually have to do it, nor should you
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 June 2023 17:17 (ten months ago) link
the thing to me thats the biggest flaw in moreyball is that taking these big swings pushing all your chips in etc results in these really short windows to contend and then youre tapped out, where if you develop your own guys dont trade all your draft picks for huge contracts you can be in the mix for a long time
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 June 2023 17:19 (ten months ago) link
at some point with your home grown team you might want to make one big trade like bucks for jrue but that different than building a super team
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 June 2023 17:20 (ten months ago) link
the nba is not about getting old guys
― ciderpress, Friday, 30 June 2023 17:20 (ten months ago) link
its true
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 June 2023 17:21 (ten months ago) link
ok PG was not as old as i thought
― ciderpress, Friday, 30 June 2023 17:21 (ten months ago) link
the same ppl have also been arguing over & over that morey won the harden trade, he held out for his star and got it, the sixers had the most deadly PPP pick & roll duo in the regular season yada yada. sixers went 13-10 in the playoffs w/ harden, never advanced past the second round, were able to dump ben simmons contract but gave up 2 first round picks in the process & are now hamstrung asset wise, also gave up seth curry and then shot 16-71 from three in the final 2 games of the boston series... i'm not gonna bang the gavel on this trade being a disaster until we see how this harden stuff resolves but as of now it's looking quite disaster-ish
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 June 2023 17:26 (ten months ago) link
also trading for a guy whos on his second trade request in a year might give you pause
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 June 2023 17:27 (ten months ago) link
and as a staunch "morey should dump simmons for the halliburton appetizer combo" poster and a staunch "if you give up two first round picks for james harden in your quest to win a title you didn't actually win a trade" poster i'm not revising history here
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 June 2023 17:28 (ten months ago) link
morey knew first hand about all the crazy shit harden did in houston and did not care, he was his biggest enabler lol, another strike against the boy genius
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 June 2023 17:28 (ten months ago) link
morey is prob by any measure one of the best GMs of his generation except for the part where the success of all his teams was put in the hands of one of the worst playoff performers of all time, it's very tragic in a greek way
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 June 2023 17:33 (ten months ago) link
he made some nice moves for sure but imo he lacked the good fundamentals and also doesnt seem to understand the human skills part, its weird that he was never a wall street guy cause its all extremely wall streety
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 June 2023 17:36 (ten months ago) link
wonder when the wreckage of the sixers will get bad enough for him to quit
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 June 2023 17:39 (ten months ago) link
he completely skated on the mess houston became bcuz harden & to an extent fertita are such obvious lightning rods for criticism
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 June 2023 17:40 (ten months ago) link