ok what the fuck is happening in ukraine

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Russian military is deploying troops in Rostov-na-Don.#Russia #coup #Rostov pic.twitter.com/npmYOynXIz

— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar) June 23, 2023

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2023 21:57 (ten months ago) link

this seems pretty serious

Statement of Russian general Sergei Surovkin, telling Wagner forces to "Stop the columns, return them to the points of permanent deployment"
(Statement was made on video, posted by Russian media outlet RBC) pic.twitter.com/QGf1NxSNKs

— Steve Lookner (@lookner) June 23, 2023

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2023 21:58 (ten months ago) link

yeah, maybe the friendly fire that took out the Wagner unit was actually intended for him

the missile hit? do we have proof that happened? I know everything is foggy right now!

anvil, Friday, 23 June 2023 22:00 (ten months ago) link

Vladimir Alekseyev, another once Wagner-friendly general:

"This is a stab in the back of the country and the president. Only the president has the right to appoint the military leadership, and you are trying to attack his authority. This is a state coup. Come to your senses!" pic.twitter.com/Zz7QRqZ1AM

— max seddon (@maxseddon) June 23, 2023

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2023 22:01 (ten months ago) link

wheres putin at

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2023 22:01 (ten months ago) link

the fact that they're freaking out so much means that something real seems to be happening

"Until it is too late, it is necessary... to obey the will and the order"
bad translation? that's some cryptic shit

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 23 June 2023 22:17 (ten months ago) link

wheres putin at

where's prigozhin at?!

anvil, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:00 (ten months ago) link

❗️New audio statement by Prigozhin (00:03 BST), stating Wagner "crossed state borders in all areas" and is now entering Rostov, promising to "destroy anything standing in their way":

"The current situation: today, we were dealt a missile strike. After this strike, helicopters…

— Dmitri (@wartranslated) June 23, 2023

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:21 (ten months ago) link

Meantime on Russian TV

That's it for the emergency news broadcast. Now we are back to this boring fashion show.

Не, не лыком шитый и не пальцем деланный
И, бля, уж точно нет, не на помойке найденный
(real ones know) pic.twitter.com/ywolizCpEK

— max seddon (@maxseddon) June 23, 2023

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:23 (ten months ago) link

This was not a twist I would have predicted, despite being in a sense entirely predictable.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:24 (ten months ago) link

In every picture, Prigozhin gives off big Mike from "Breaking Bad" vibes.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:25 (ten months ago) link

Republicans must be conflicted right now between their love of insurrections and love of Putin

— Michael McDonald (@ElectProject) June 23, 2023

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:27 (ten months ago) link

found putin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkuWrmxN7hg

nashwan, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:28 (ten months ago) link

Wondering where this will leave Wagner's presence in Central African Republic (which, double-checking now, turns out to have its own Wikipedia entry) and elsewhere in the world.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Friday, 23 June 2023 23:32 (ten months ago) link

pirozhgin's statement definitely shows serious intent to seize the initiative. interesting how his message clearly is making a strong play for inciting mutinies among the recent draftees and defections to his forces. his best hope is a rapid shift of troop sentiment in his favor.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 23 June 2023 23:35 (ten months ago) link

Running guess right now from a lot of folks is that this is so much hot air, noting the sheer lack of any video evidence of shit going down beyond various defensive setups in Moscow. Still, who knows.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:42 (ten months ago) link

For instance:

Here are a few insights into the situation surrounding Prigozhin:

1️⃣ For a long time, Prigozhin has been out of direct contact with Putin, yet he's believed he was acting in Putin's interests "by default". His significant contributions in the war enhanced his sense of…

— Tatiana Stanovaya (@Stanovaya) June 23, 2023

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:48 (ten months ago) link

doesnt seem like hot air, might be foolish tho

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:56 (ten months ago) link

maybe hes trying to motivate something that just wont happen but declaring that youre doing an insurrection is a pretty all in move might as well actually do it, if you can

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:11 (ten months ago) link

Pleas from Russian generals seem genuine; could they be panicking with no real evidence? Guess it's possible, or "until it's too late" might be signal to stand by, not really down (like Trump to Proud Boys). Or the general is on some level hoping it will be "too late" to stop the coup---thus removing/diminishing Putin and/or Wagnerites? So the whole Ukraine crusade will be at least diminished, *maybe* negotiated, before it turns into another Afghanistan defeat, as helped collapse the Soviet system.

dow, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:13 (ten months ago) link

feel like russia could def be panicking without out evidence, and prigozhin could be trying to rally the troops without much success

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:16 (ten months ago) link

His methods are unsound

Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:29 (ten months ago) link

kind of funny to try to follow the news for a country that doesnt have any news

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:30 (ten months ago) link

youre left like heres a tweet from a ukrainian race car driver

Reportedly Wagner PMC in Rostov. pic.twitter.com/SoTE6jZCmN

— Igor Sushko (@igorsushko) June 24, 2023

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:32 (ten months ago) link

Prigozin and his men are basically dead men walking. Why not go out trying to bring it all down

Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:32 (ten months ago) link

For a guy who started as a caterer to the Kremlin, this is quite a shift

Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:39 (ten months ago) link

more service workers should start their own armies

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:43 (ten months ago) link

Russia’s domestic intelligence service has opened a criminal case against Yevgeny Prigozhin...after he appeared to cross a red line with the Kremlin on Friday when he vowed to retaliate against the country’s military leadership for what he described as strikes launched against his forces.

The open confrontation was sparked by a series of Telegram posts on Friday, where Prigozhin accused Russian forces of striking a Wagner military camp. “A huge amount of our fighters were killed,” he said, in a radical escalation of a longstanding feud with Russia’s military leaders.

Russia’s Ministry of Defense denied the claims, calling it an “informational provocation.”

The mercenary, who has frequently criticized Russia’s traditional military hierarchy, then warned that retribution would be meted out. “We will deal with those who destroy Russian soldiers and return to the front, justice for the troops will be restored, and then justice for all of Russia,” he said.

He said that his forces would “destroy” any resistance, including roadblocks and aircraft, suggesting the disagreement could turn into warfare.

“There are 25,000 of us and we are going to find out why there is such chaos in the country. There are 25,000 of us waiting as a tactical reserve and a strategic reserve. It’s the whole army and the whole country, everyone who wants to, join us. We must end this debacle,” he said.

In a later Telegram post, Prigozhin said that his criticism of the Russian military leadership was a “march of justice” and not a coup. “This is not a military coup, this is a march of justice. Our actions do not interfere with the troops in any way,” Prigozhin said.


https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/23/europe/russia-mod-wagner-yevgeny-prigozhin-intl/index.html

dow, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:52 (ten months ago) link

Glad he did it before Erik Prince had the chance to do the same here.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Saturday, 24 June 2023 01:33 (ten months ago) link

unclear whos tanks those are but generally you dont aim at a building if youre guarding it

Wagner forces have surrounded the headquarters of the Russian Southern Military district in Rostov.

It is really happening…#Coup #Russia #Rostov pic.twitter.com/ZuylmBYsHJ

— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar) June 24, 2023

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 02:15 (ten months ago) link

i would not be down there filming on my phone tell you what

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 02:16 (ten months ago) link

I was thinking "weird since it's currently 5:17 a.m. in Rostov" until looking up the sunrise time: 4:26 a.m.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Saturday, 24 June 2023 02:18 (ten months ago) link

gotta love the northern life baby

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 02:20 (ten months ago) link

Hard to understate how insane this is. Rostov has over a million people, Russia's 11th most populated city and a military hub. It's like disgruntled Blackwater vets seizing San Diego against little to no resistance.

— Aric Toler (@AricToler) June 24, 2023

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 02:49 (ten months ago) link

I don’t know much about the Wagner group or the guy running it… but what’s the end game here? If dude just wants out of this mess, it seems like a funny way to go about it

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 24 June 2023 03:31 (ten months ago) link

Meduza is a pretty solid news source so track this page:

https://meduza.io/en/live/2023/06/23/yevgeny-prigozhin-s-coup

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 June 2023 03:38 (ten months ago) link

Meanwhile, on Russian state TV: astrology pic.twitter.com/BeB39Ejs1z

— max seddon (@maxseddon) June 24, 2023

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 June 2023 03:42 (ten months ago) link

Sounds like they had a relatively small force that they took into Rostov and now they are occupying Russian military buildings. Not sure how reliable that is, but it's not nothing.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 24 June 2023 04:04 (ten months ago) link

gotta love the northern life baby

further south than Seattle!

anvil, Saturday, 24 June 2023 04:07 (ten months ago) link

So is it possible that Putin arranged a false coup attempt to ... I dunno ... look stronger in crushing it?

I'm not saying I think this is happening, I'm just trying to figure out an alternative explanation for what we're "seeing" is.

I bet we'll have alternative options by morning.

An extraordinary video of Prigozhin taking over the HQ of the Southern Military District in Rostov, telling the deputy defense minister and the deputy head of GRU that he’s marching onto Moscow to save Russia, and that he shot down three helicopters. pic.twitter.com/iEQzBhpbS4

— Yaroslav Trofimov (@yarotrof) June 24, 2023

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Saturday, 24 June 2023 05:04 (ten months ago) link

https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/24-june-russian-tactical-aviation-bombing-wagner-troops-with

liveuamap has Wagner troops being bombed on the M4 Highway, though they have it between Rostov and Voronezh (which they apparently both have). Rybar saying same, but not much in the way of footage if so

anvil, Saturday, 24 June 2023 08:44 (ten months ago) link

So is it possible that Putin arranged a false coup attempt to ... I dunno ... look stronger in crushing it?

I'm not saying I think this is happening, I'm just trying to figure out an alternative explanation for what we're "seeing" is.


no. this has got legs! the infighting between shoigu/gerasimov and prigozhin has been going on for long while and escalating all the time. including *actual* fighting more recently. prigozhin has been doing his “being a military social media influencer” since he “revealed” he ran wagner group last year - russia’s worst kept secret.

the issues have always skirted round the edges of putin, but have circled more closely since putin reasserted shoigu’s position at the beginning of the year. prigozhin in the recent past would make much of his supposedly close ties to putin, but the very fact he had to make his demands over social media rather than as part of the high level command of the military indicates it was more bluster than substance.

i do think that telegram and social media have led to a lot of “all the real troops areon your side” from infantry to Wagner/Prigozhin - hence my “high on his own supply” comment.

it does feel - but who the fuck knows - that this most recent attack on the wagner base is too flagrant an example of that infighting, causing prigozhin to cross the rubicon.

to what end? i do not see it ending up well for him or Wagner Group, senior generals are all issuing their statements in support of the Putin regime. But it drags Russian military focus (as well as actual troops) away from Ukraine. Whether they can take advantage of it is another matter - as I say, Russian troops are heavily entrenched and fortified along their main lines of defence.

Fizzles, Saturday, 24 June 2023 09:06 (ten months ago) link

Nothing from Kadyrov yet?

nashwan, Saturday, 24 June 2023 09:14 (ten months ago) link

lol speaking of tiktok generals - he has (apparently) come out on telegram against Prigozhin, saying now is not the time or something like it.

Fizzles, Saturday, 24 June 2023 09:22 (ten months ago) link

i mean, he's always been quite canny about his positioning. ie nowhere near the front line but with LOTS OF VIDEOS showing how enthusiastic they are.

Fizzles, Saturday, 24 June 2023 09:24 (ten months ago) link

RAW era russia is unmatched

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Saturday, 24 June 2023 09:45 (ten months ago) link

for anyone interested i did put together some prigozhin links a while ago (ie not completely up to date) here.

eg this from March:

CHANGES AT WAGNER

In a video released on🇷🇺Telegram, Prigozhin says “after the capture of Bakhmut, Wagner Group will change and become an ‘army with an ideology.’”

The ideology is, cryptically, “to fight for justice.”

What does that mean?

If I was Shoigu, I would be concerned. pic.twitter.com/N5hgpPRcMX

— Jason Jay Smart (@officejjsmart) March 10, 2023

Or this from the WSJ:

Early on, Mr. Prigozhin gained a reputation for showy stunts, once shooting at mannequins draped in American flags. He then covered them in ketchup, took photos and leaked them to Russian media outlets, said people with knowledge of the stunts.

Fizzles, Saturday, 24 June 2023 10:01 (ten months ago) link

further south than Seattle!

― anvil, Saturday, June 24, 2023 12:07 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

uh no lol

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 10:01 (ten months ago) link

and a nice piece on the 'aesthetics and marketing of the Wagner Group' here.

Fizzles, Saturday, 24 June 2023 10:02 (ten months ago) link


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