ok what the fuck is happening in ukraine

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I would bet on wagner over the regular russian army tbh

a bunch of ex-cons with nothing to lose

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 23 June 2023 20:16 (ten months ago) link

Sounds like a late Roman Empire coup

Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Friday, 23 June 2023 20:18 (ten months ago) link

LFG

skeptical of how far this can go, but it's getting quite a lot of attention from journalists and whatnot

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 23 June 2023 20:36 (ten months ago) link

Some kayfabe for Putin to get rid of an annoyance?

Crabber B. Munson (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 23 June 2023 20:48 (ten months ago) link

it's hard to see how this is actually some galaxy brained 5D chess move by Putin

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 23 June 2023 20:58 (ten months ago) link

it’s v odd. “high on his own supply” and absolutely consumed by internal military politics is my favourite sketch so far. an immense distraction but hard to see how it changes anything. russians are robustly entrenched and doing a fair job of repelling the counteroffensive. nothing looks like it’s going to shift. it doesn’t even feel like a tactically smart time to be doing this for prigozhin.

Fizzles, Friday, 23 June 2023 21:20 (ten months ago) link

Unless his hand was forced? If he got word he was about to get taken out then it becomes a more rational move?

but nothing particularly clear right now so who knows

anvil, Friday, 23 June 2023 21:32 (ten months ago) link

powerful amphetamines?

^

Fizzles, Friday, 23 June 2023 21:33 (ten months ago) link

yeah, maybe the friendly fire that took out the Wagner unit was actually intended for him

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 23 June 2023 21:45 (ten months ago) link

Russian military is deploying troops in Rostov-na-Don.#Russia #coup #Rostov pic.twitter.com/npmYOynXIz

— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar) June 23, 2023

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2023 21:57 (ten months ago) link

this seems pretty serious

Statement of Russian general Sergei Surovkin, telling Wagner forces to "Stop the columns, return them to the points of permanent deployment"
(Statement was made on video, posted by Russian media outlet RBC) pic.twitter.com/QGf1NxSNKs

— Steve Lookner (@lookner) June 23, 2023

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2023 21:58 (ten months ago) link

yeah, maybe the friendly fire that took out the Wagner unit was actually intended for him

the missile hit? do we have proof that happened? I know everything is foggy right now!

anvil, Friday, 23 June 2023 22:00 (ten months ago) link

Vladimir Alekseyev, another once Wagner-friendly general:

"This is a stab in the back of the country and the president. Only the president has the right to appoint the military leadership, and you are trying to attack his authority. This is a state coup. Come to your senses!" pic.twitter.com/Zz7QRqZ1AM

— max seddon (@maxseddon) June 23, 2023

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2023 22:01 (ten months ago) link

wheres putin at

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2023 22:01 (ten months ago) link

the fact that they're freaking out so much means that something real seems to be happening

"Until it is too late, it is necessary... to obey the will and the order"
bad translation? that's some cryptic shit

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 23 June 2023 22:17 (ten months ago) link

wheres putin at

where's prigozhin at?!

anvil, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:00 (ten months ago) link

❗️New audio statement by Prigozhin (00:03 BST), stating Wagner "crossed state borders in all areas" and is now entering Rostov, promising to "destroy anything standing in their way":

"The current situation: today, we were dealt a missile strike. After this strike, helicopters…

— Dmitri (@wartranslated) June 23, 2023

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:21 (ten months ago) link

Meantime on Russian TV

That's it for the emergency news broadcast. Now we are back to this boring fashion show.

Не, не лыком шитый и не пальцем деланный
И, бля, уж точно нет, не на помойке найденный
(real ones know) pic.twitter.com/ywolizCpEK

— max seddon (@maxseddon) June 23, 2023

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:23 (ten months ago) link

This was not a twist I would have predicted, despite being in a sense entirely predictable.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:24 (ten months ago) link

In every picture, Prigozhin gives off big Mike from "Breaking Bad" vibes.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:25 (ten months ago) link

Republicans must be conflicted right now between their love of insurrections and love of Putin

— Michael McDonald (@ElectProject) June 23, 2023

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:27 (ten months ago) link

found putin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkuWrmxN7hg

nashwan, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:28 (ten months ago) link

Wondering where this will leave Wagner's presence in Central African Republic (which, double-checking now, turns out to have its own Wikipedia entry) and elsewhere in the world.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Friday, 23 June 2023 23:32 (ten months ago) link

pirozhgin's statement definitely shows serious intent to seize the initiative. interesting how his message clearly is making a strong play for inciting mutinies among the recent draftees and defections to his forces. his best hope is a rapid shift of troop sentiment in his favor.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 23 June 2023 23:35 (ten months ago) link

Running guess right now from a lot of folks is that this is so much hot air, noting the sheer lack of any video evidence of shit going down beyond various defensive setups in Moscow. Still, who knows.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:42 (ten months ago) link

For instance:

Here are a few insights into the situation surrounding Prigozhin:

1️⃣ For a long time, Prigozhin has been out of direct contact with Putin, yet he's believed he was acting in Putin's interests "by default". His significant contributions in the war enhanced his sense of…

— Tatiana Stanovaya (@Stanovaya) June 23, 2023

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:48 (ten months ago) link

doesnt seem like hot air, might be foolish tho

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:56 (ten months ago) link

maybe hes trying to motivate something that just wont happen but declaring that youre doing an insurrection is a pretty all in move might as well actually do it, if you can

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:11 (ten months ago) link

Pleas from Russian generals seem genuine; could they be panicking with no real evidence? Guess it's possible, or "until it's too late" might be signal to stand by, not really down (like Trump to Proud Boys). Or the general is on some level hoping it will be "too late" to stop the coup---thus removing/diminishing Putin and/or Wagnerites? So the whole Ukraine crusade will be at least diminished, *maybe* negotiated, before it turns into another Afghanistan defeat, as helped collapse the Soviet system.

dow, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:13 (ten months ago) link

feel like russia could def be panicking without out evidence, and prigozhin could be trying to rally the troops without much success

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:16 (ten months ago) link

His methods are unsound

Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:29 (ten months ago) link

kind of funny to try to follow the news for a country that doesnt have any news

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:30 (ten months ago) link

youre left like heres a tweet from a ukrainian race car driver

Reportedly Wagner PMC in Rostov. pic.twitter.com/SoTE6jZCmN

— Igor Sushko (@igorsushko) June 24, 2023

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:32 (ten months ago) link

Prigozin and his men are basically dead men walking. Why not go out trying to bring it all down

Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:32 (ten months ago) link

For a guy who started as a caterer to the Kremlin, this is quite a shift

Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:39 (ten months ago) link

more service workers should start their own armies

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:43 (ten months ago) link

Russia’s domestic intelligence service has opened a criminal case against Yevgeny Prigozhin...after he appeared to cross a red line with the Kremlin on Friday when he vowed to retaliate against the country’s military leadership for what he described as strikes launched against his forces.

The open confrontation was sparked by a series of Telegram posts on Friday, where Prigozhin accused Russian forces of striking a Wagner military camp. “A huge amount of our fighters were killed,” he said, in a radical escalation of a longstanding feud with Russia’s military leaders.

Russia’s Ministry of Defense denied the claims, calling it an “informational provocation.”

The mercenary, who has frequently criticized Russia’s traditional military hierarchy, then warned that retribution would be meted out. “We will deal with those who destroy Russian soldiers and return to the front, justice for the troops will be restored, and then justice for all of Russia,” he said.

He said that his forces would “destroy” any resistance, including roadblocks and aircraft, suggesting the disagreement could turn into warfare.

“There are 25,000 of us and we are going to find out why there is such chaos in the country. There are 25,000 of us waiting as a tactical reserve and a strategic reserve. It’s the whole army and the whole country, everyone who wants to, join us. We must end this debacle,” he said.

In a later Telegram post, Prigozhin said that his criticism of the Russian military leadership was a “march of justice” and not a coup. “This is not a military coup, this is a march of justice. Our actions do not interfere with the troops in any way,” Prigozhin said.


https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/23/europe/russia-mod-wagner-yevgeny-prigozhin-intl/index.html

dow, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:52 (ten months ago) link

Glad he did it before Erik Prince had the chance to do the same here.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Saturday, 24 June 2023 01:33 (ten months ago) link

unclear whos tanks those are but generally you dont aim at a building if youre guarding it

Wagner forces have surrounded the headquarters of the Russian Southern Military district in Rostov.

It is really happening…#Coup #Russia #Rostov pic.twitter.com/ZuylmBYsHJ

— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar) June 24, 2023

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 02:15 (ten months ago) link

i would not be down there filming on my phone tell you what

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 02:16 (ten months ago) link

I was thinking "weird since it's currently 5:17 a.m. in Rostov" until looking up the sunrise time: 4:26 a.m.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Saturday, 24 June 2023 02:18 (ten months ago) link

gotta love the northern life baby

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 02:20 (ten months ago) link

Hard to understate how insane this is. Rostov has over a million people, Russia's 11th most populated city and a military hub. It's like disgruntled Blackwater vets seizing San Diego against little to no resistance.

— Aric Toler (@AricToler) June 24, 2023

lag∞n, Saturday, 24 June 2023 02:49 (ten months ago) link

I don’t know much about the Wagner group or the guy running it… but what’s the end game here? If dude just wants out of this mess, it seems like a funny way to go about it

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 24 June 2023 03:31 (ten months ago) link

Meduza is a pretty solid news source so track this page:

https://meduza.io/en/live/2023/06/23/yevgeny-prigozhin-s-coup

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 June 2023 03:38 (ten months ago) link

Meanwhile, on Russian state TV: astrology pic.twitter.com/BeB39Ejs1z

— max seddon (@maxseddon) June 24, 2023

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 June 2023 03:42 (ten months ago) link

Sounds like they had a relatively small force that they took into Rostov and now they are occupying Russian military buildings. Not sure how reliable that is, but it's not nothing.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 24 June 2023 04:04 (ten months ago) link


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