Johnny Winter And by Johnny Winter and Johnny Winter’s band, Johnny Winter And
― jmm, Thursday, 22 June 2023 16:57 (ten months ago) link
Did Johnny Winter's Band Johnny Winter And ever tour with The Band?
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:06 (ten months ago) link
Bad enough they overlooked Tony Molina and Joanna Gruesome, but overlooking Ovlov is just unacceptable. They had 10 years.
"25 albums from pitchfork's year-end list in a slightly different order plus 5 albums by huge rock acts" - Every reassessment of mid-00s to present, until the end of time, is going to be exactly this.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:22 (ten months ago) link
That was also Omar Souleyman's breakthrough year in the U.S.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:23 (ten months ago) link
That was a giant xpost btw
― billstevejim, Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:24 (ten months ago) link
It would just be nice for once to feel like there's any room left in this world for people who don't give a fuck about Vampire Weekend or Haim or Arctic Monkeys.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:35 (ten months ago) link
As we’ll see, this is the year when the 2010s really began in a musical sense, while a lot of the trends that were popular in the previous decade fell away.
― omar little, Thursday, June 22, 2023 11:03 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
anyway here's an album by the national
― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Thursday, June 22, 2023
lol
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:38 (ten months ago) link
The Uproxx thing really bums me out in that, I feel like the last few years of rock criticism have just been endlessly endlessly recycling agreed-upon but essentially flawed narratives like "Woodstock 99 was cause by male rage" to "The Strokes were an important band" to "Pitchfork Indie was actually the best music" All these places just kind of rewriting opinions media people already held but with some new headline to signal this is new content for social media. Lots of 10 Year Anniversary content from people that already covered the stuff 10 years ago. Just an oroborous of content and received wisdom. It's really sad.
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:43 (ten months ago) link
Idk if it's part of it that anyone else notices but there's just a real lack of enthusiasm in so many of these pieces, like zero love for music expressed, just an exhausted recitation of everything, like someone forced to write a paper on history and muster some feigned appreciation for the subject matter. It's maybe part of why a lot of it reads as AI when it's actually not, it's just the dead-eyed cliff notes style too.
― omar little, Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:49 (ten months ago) link
you say that like ILM wouldn't wearily regurgitate 90% of that list if required to repoll 2013 lol
― imago, Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:51 (ten months ago) link
facebook memories of music writing
― sarahell, Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:51 (ten months ago) link
it reminds me of the AMG reviews that, when compared to some of the much higher quality jobs on the site, were obvious rush-jobs from people who didn't have a lot of experience writing about said genre, and either got a lot of details wrong (an old review that's since been pulled down of Helloween's Keeper of the Seven Keys Part I, that erroneously said there was never a Part 2 made), or just seemed like "by numbers", as if half of the content was drawn from received wisdom merged with cursory thoughts of the new album.
now this style seems like the predominant writing style.
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:53 (ten months ago) link
― imago, Thursday, June 22, 2023 12:51 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
at the very least 1017 thug would be on there lol
― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:56 (ten months ago) link
i appreciate it that there's a lot of care put into so many AMG reviews, because that's a site that could likely get away with half-assing it a lot more than it does.
― omar little, Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:56 (ten months ago) link
2013's rap masterpiece was Signor Benedick The Moor's El Negro, I will not be swayed on this
― imago, Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:58 (ten months ago) link
xp Whiney otm
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 22 June 2023 18:23 (ten months ago) link
2013 feels way too recent for a reappraisal. Most of those acts have put out like two albums since then.
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Thursday, 22 June 2023 18:25 (ten months ago) link
"an oroborous of content and received wisdom" nails it, I think. Almost as if there is a desire to create a canon despite the rest of the world seeming increasingly very post-canon
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 22 June 2023 18:26 (ten months ago) link
It’s not really a problem if a consensus forms around what the most popular/“best” acts of a particular time forms; the issue is when everyone talking about it says exactly the same thing with no nuance/interrogation/sense of enjoying the music as a tangible, meaningful artifact
― the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 22 June 2023 20:12 (ten months ago) link
otm
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Thursday, 22 June 2023 20:15 (ten months ago) link
i think only food adjectives should be allowed in reviews
agreed with Dan— this is passionless, bored (and thus boring) writing that doesn’t say much about the way the music sounds at all.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 22 June 2023 22:55 (ten months ago) link
what the hell?
"This was No. 1 record of 2013 in 2013. I put it as my No. 10 about of 2013 in 2023 because..."
― alpine static, Thursday, 22 June 2023 23:39 (ten months ago) link
Hyden does that a lot, putting his favourite music later down in the list in favour of an objective "best" at number 1. I think the distinction between the two is bunk, but...
― vexingvexillologist, Friday, 23 June 2023 11:17 (ten months ago) link
The writing is literally fucked. Like it went through a bad autocorrect.
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Friday, 23 June 2023 11:39 (ten months ago) link
ranking stuff or giving it star ratings or even percentages is fine, taking the scores very seriously indeed and writing at length about your rationale is almost always boring and shit
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 23 June 2023 11:53 (ten months ago) link
lists have killed writing basically
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 June 2023 14:58 (ten months ago) link
and here's why.
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Friday, 23 June 2023 15:00 (ten months ago) link
rankings really are lame because people don't bother to dig deeper. but i think we're conditioned to want them now.
we have an evaluation form we use at work where we give feedback to our instructors and there's of course a numerical rating alongside the feedback and almost everybody focuses on that instead of the feedback.
likewise, "such and such got 85% on Rotten Tomatoes" without bothering to understand what that means in terms of data aggregation and reading a few reviews.
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Friday, 23 June 2023 15:01 (ten months ago) link
The emphasis on scores and year-end-lists and chart placements and televised award wins gets heavier every year. If a great record slowly generates a good amount of steam between 2013 and the present, well too bad. They didn't get people's attention right away, so what good are they?
It feels strange how desperately certain types need to revise the canon of the 80s and 90s but rigidly worship the canon of 2007 to present.
― billstevejim, Friday, 23 June 2023 15:03 (ten months ago) link
what's the music equivalent of oscar bait?
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 23 June 2023 15:08 (ten months ago) link
how so? xpost
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 June 2023 15:08 (ten months ago) link
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 23 June 2023 15:08 (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
jessie ware
― imago, Friday, 23 June 2023 15:10 (ten months ago) link
nah
― rob, Friday, 23 June 2023 15:11 (ten months ago) link
nu-slowdive
― imago, Friday, 23 June 2023 15:13 (ten months ago) link
if you're talking grammy bait, it's stuff like silk sonic, jon batiste, jacob collier
― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Friday, 23 June 2023 15:13 (ten months ago) link
Simple, you just need to be [artist x who had a hot album 2-8 years ago] and release literally anything.
― billstevejim, Friday, 23 June 2023 15:14 (ten months ago) link
(That's "Artist X" meaning "full in the blank", not "artist multiplied by")
― billstevejim, Friday, 23 June 2023 15:16 (ten months ago) link
lol President Keyes
― Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Friday, 23 June 2023 15:16 (ten months ago) link
― imago, Friday, 23 June 2023 15:13 (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
this wasn't entirely serious ftr sorry lol
― imago, Friday, 23 June 2023 15:20 (ten months ago) link
H.E.R.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 23 June 2023 15:29 (ten months ago) link
yeah basically anything that sounds like thrice xeroxed versions of 70s stevie
― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Friday, 23 June 2023 15:33 (ten months ago) link
is there a music site even worth looking at in 2023? i can't remember the last time i looked at music reviews online. its been years. i figured they would just make me sad. seems like a bygone era. i'm not going on tiktok...
(there must be brainy cool young writers out there somewhere. does anyone do cool zines anymore?)
― scott seward, Friday, 23 June 2023 16:19 (ten months ago) link
I thought the Lumineers were something-bait, but I don't pretend to understand anything released earlier than 1978 or later than 1989.
― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 23 June 2023 16:27 (ten months ago) link
is there a music site even worth looking at in 2023? i can't remember the last time i looked at music reviews online. its been years. i figured they would just make me sad. seems like a bygone era. i'm not going on tiktok... (there must be brainy cool young writers out there somewhere. does anyone do cool zines anymore?)
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 23 June 2023 17:37 (ten months ago) link
i should make a zine. for real! i know smart people. who don't want to make lists. i feel like there is a serious lack of fun when it comes to music writing. its all so......not fun. what i see of it anyway.
i should check in with the quietus. they have always done good work. stereogum....i made the mistake of looking at a best of metal 2022 list and it was rough. to read. i stopped reading it.
― scott seward, Friday, 23 June 2023 17:43 (ten months ago) link
blogging 2.0 aka newsletters are all the rage these days, i prob have more fun writing mine than any other kind of writing i do, unfortunately i never have the time to write it
― ivy (BradNelson), Friday, 23 June 2023 17:44 (ten months ago) link
i'm too old to substack or whatever. i think i'll make a real zine. (i don't go to cities so i never see new zines but i know they exist.)
that thing that JBR is on. those are cool. i get e-mails about them. seems like an easy way for people to speak to people online.
― scott seward, Friday, 23 June 2023 17:48 (ten months ago) link
the stereogum article on the battle of the depeche tribute bands in la is the best thing ive read in a minute
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 23 June 2023 17:48 (ten months ago) link
some friends of mine around the corner have an arts space and they have a risograph machine. it could make great covers for a mag.
x-post - will make a note of depeche tribute bands article.
― scott seward, Friday, 23 June 2023 17:50 (ten months ago) link