Biggest duds on the list in a quick glance are probably The Lives of Others, Syriana, American Sniper ... and obv The Birth of a Nation. (High and Low seems a bit of a stretch to me, but hey.)
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Thursday, 22 June 2023 16:50 (ten months ago) link
Oh, and Triumph of the Will ... understandable why it and Nation are in there, but doesn't make it any easier to see them listed alongside so many genuinely great films
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Thursday, 22 June 2023 16:52 (ten months ago) link
You know who weighs in: https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/06/the-ten-best-political-movies-of-all-time/
(As usual, he's on his comparatively best behavior when it comes to canonization.)
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 14:53 (ten months ago) link
Just learned of this from a friend tonight:
https://newrepublic.com/article/173376/100-political-films-new-republic-list
Hoberman writes some kind of introductory essay. Looking at their Top 10 vs. this poll's, there is overlap of five films. Their title is "most significant," which ought to give them some cover for two of their Top 10.
― clemenza, Friday, 7 July 2023 02:48 (nine months ago) link
Geez, as hard as this is to believe, I missed the posts above mine.
― clemenza, Friday, 7 July 2023 02:49 (nine months ago) link
Armond White has Health in his Top 10? That's truly eccentric...makes me want to finally see it.
― clemenza, Friday, 7 July 2023 02:52 (nine months ago) link
Some things I like seeing on the New Republic list:
81. The Times of Harvey Milk78. Eight Hours Don’t Make a Day69. The Best Man67. Point of Order!56. The Fog of War39. Hearts and Minds10. A Face in the Crowd
At least a couple of those are surprises.
― clemenza, Friday, 7 July 2023 15:18 (nine months ago) link
Most glaring omission (unless I missed him): Wiseman. So many to choose from--Welfare for me.
― clemenza, Friday, 7 July 2023 15:21 (nine months ago) link
Love, love, love A Grin Without a Cat making the list, along with all the Third Cinema titles. From a glance, it almost seems like the roster of voters is, more or less, the National Society of Film Critics?
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Friday, 7 July 2023 15:38 (nine months ago) link
I was glad to see that too, and voted for it here. I haven't yet read Hoberman's long essay, but skimming I saw he mentioned Tanner '88, which I think should have been on there (and which I have no idea why I omitted it from my own list).
― clemenza, Friday, 7 July 2023 15:42 (nine months ago) link
Nice to see two films by Jia on that list. It looks like Robert Kramer's Ice only received one vote in this poll, it might be top of my own list.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 7 July 2023 15:51 (nine months ago) link
Nice to see two films by Jia on that list
This. It was disheartening to see him so out of favor in that December 2022 poll I've written about too much here
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Friday, 7 July 2023 16:04 (nine months ago) link
Another surprising omission: no Jordan Peele. (One or both of the first two, I'd say, though I know others like the third.)
― clemenza, Friday, 7 July 2023 17:54 (nine months ago) link
"Love, love, love A Grin Without a Cat"
Hate, hate, hate the low ranking.
That top ten is also not good. Though that's a great No1.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 7 July 2023 22:56 (nine months ago) link
#81, showing the White Night Riots and the candlelight march, The Times of Harvey Milk is an amazing film with a really moving ending. I think everyone should watch it.
TNR’s link to the NYT article in 1985 shows how conservative and bigoted the NYT was at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/1985/10/22/us/dan-white-killer-of-san-francisco-mayor-a-suicide.html
They refused to use the word ‘gay’ which was the term everyone had already long accepted at that time. Their pigheadedness went on for years after that and eventually became ridiculous and a topic of conversation among my friends. They kept referring to gay people as ‘homosexuals’, a term that had long since been seen as derogatory and that had been used in many negative contexts.
― Dan S, Saturday, 8 July 2023 00:42 (nine months ago) link