stashing assets for the 2023 nba offseason

i mean they dont need him to be a star, but to be clear im not a fan

I think this should absolutely happen.

the mavs didn’t need him to be a star either, in all reality. they just needed him to not be a complete anchor on their team & he couldn’t even clear that bar

i’m not gonna sit here & pretend like i watched much wizards this year so maybe zinger turned a new leaf in a real way. i’m just generally skeptical of the idea that a guy who got salary dumped by a contending team and then put up one good season on a bad team now again has real value as a playoff player. but situations change how guys are perceived & maybe boston would be a good one for him who knows

the mavs did need him to be a star or at least that was their idea, being one of three bigs on a good defensive team would be a pretty different situation

the big issue with zinger is he has an absolutely terrible injury history, celtics im sure are thinking theyd just not play him that much

and if this trade were to happen as reported theres also a big salary aspect theyd get one year of zinger rather than two of brogdon avoiding the famous second apron

if it's just a one year flier on zinger that would be a lot more sensible but i can't figure out why he'd not want to sign a big deal this summer. maybe the market for him as a FA was light tho & this would be his pivot

the mavs did need him to be a star or at least that was their idea

― lag∞n, Wednesday, June 21, 2023 3:29 PM (twenty-one minutes ago)

well they needed him to be a star if they were going to become one of the best teams in the NBA for multiple years. but to get to the west finals the year they did they didn't need any of their bigs to be stars, they just needed them to play defense and hit some threes, which is what the celtics would need from him, and he couldn't even do that. but there were prob other factors too... his health, being mad at luka & hating the situation etc

they were wanting him to be mr big rim protector with four perimeter guys around him and he couldnt do it but there are other ways to play defense especially with a team like boston that has a lot of defensive talent, basically i think they way to think about this is a salary dump while picking up a high upside third big, and yeah i dont think theres a big contract out there for him, everyone knows the mavs just dumped him

could all be nonsense tho who knows but when you start to hear a super detailed deal with three teams in it its prob more real

he was coming back from ACL and could never really stay healthy or play consistent. He looked healthier this last season, more confident in his body. I think it just took him a while to get back to himself. still not sure he's a positive impact player but in theory he's a guy who can do a few things well.

Porziņģis has been well-liked by teammates, coaches and team officials ever since the Wizards traded for him in February 2022. He’s had a positive influence on his young teammates, most notably forward Deni Avdija.

lol

shouldve worked "mentoring" in there, disappointing performance

I like porzingis btw, he had by far the best season of his career last year. still plays good defense and has finally seemed to round out his offensive game: I think KOC said on his podcast that he actually had the best scoring efficiency on postups in the league last year. he’s only 27 and played 65 games last year. slam dunk trade for boston imo

in one of my many, many otm posts in the unicorn thread I pointed out how porzingis’s media market distorted his perception, he was always overrated in new york but is now underrated. it is only fitting that he gets a big deal in boston so he can be overrated again

seems like its happening big question for me is if it includes an extension for zinger

Breaking: Celtics, Wizards, Clippers are closing in on a trade sending Kristaps Porzingis to Boston, Malcolm Brogdon to L.A., and Marcus Morris and draft compensation to Washington, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 21, 2023

wiz are salting the earth huh

the extension or lack thereof is really important here

it is very funny that they're doing this the year after the once-in-a-generation prospect becomes available

yup, legendary stuff

so does this mean the c's are giving up on horford or on timelord? no way they're keeping all three, right? right???

Horf is getting near his expiration date, but zinger can't fill his shoes.

horford’s new contract frees up enough cash that keeping all three is tenable though this would seem like it means grant williams is gone

Zinger deal done and he’s optin in, smart to Grizz, tyus to wiz

The Grizzlies are sending 2023 and 2024 first-round picks to the Celtics, sources tell ESPN. Grizzlies are sending No. 25 on Thursday night and 2024 pick via Golden State for Smart.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 22, 2023

wiz traded beal and zinger in order to rebuild and got zero firsts back

so they added a player I like and got rid of the one I don't....interesting

realized i was posting on the draft thread about this anyway i do not support trading marcus and im mad

Marcus should retire

It’s really weird he’s gonna be ona different team next year

this is a very sad day

i mean the guy literally bleeds dyes his hair celtics green

i am down with this, smarts never been good enough to get too attached to

He's basically the guy Brooks wishes he was.

I don’t understand why Memphis game up two picks here

i do not support trading marcus and im mad

i, too, am mad.

no no no no no no no no no no no no no.

i kinda liked the brogdon version of this trade. i’m kinda thinking of murdering someone right now.

i don’t have an emotional connection to marcus smart so it’s easy for me to say this but getting two firsts — and not just two firsts but two consecutive firsts — for him coming off a year ppl didn’t think was that great & a bit of an invisible playoffs feels like a pretty good move for boston. there’s a lot of wear and tear on those tires

that being said, it’s also true that brogdon’s medicals are bad enough to have killed a trade that would have kept smart on the team. maybe brogdon still had trade value to other teams but they might also be stuck w/ relying on him to stay healthy for 3-4 rounds

still has*

kind of a nice haul for the celtics to get zinger and 2 firsts

the wiz now have tyus jokes and monte morris, seems a bit redundant. if bruce brown doesn’t re-sign I’d love for the nuggets to get one of them

i was kind of hoping they’d trade marcus this offseason. it was time.

I feel like the only thing making this a good trade for the Celts are those picks. I could see Zinger, assuming he stays healthy, putting up numbers but not fitting in. That's also a lot tied up in Zinger, Rob, and Horford.

this years pick 24 is not good, next years maybe, they got like half a quality first and one year of an overpaid always injured guy for marcus smart dpoy mr winning plays the pride a joy of the boston celtics, and it should be said just from a basketball perspective a pretty good playmaker on a team that needs more of it not less

for sure it feels like they reshaped the roster but haven’t actually addressed roster holes, per se. like they still have to find another guard right? the brogdon injury insurance can’t just be pritchard

smart averaged 34 mpg in the heat series, brogdon averaged 19. smart played 35 mins in game 7, brogdon played 7

i think pritchard is fine as a third guard especially since theyll prob be playing bigger now and tbf brogdon was injured in the heat series but yeah as to the general point i dont think they really addressed their issues, and they traded away the guy everyone fuckin loves!!

wouldnt be surprised if theres more to come tho i guess theyve got picks for every season now so they can trade a lot maybe theyre going to get dame

feel like it should be an nba axiom like dont trade old for young to not trade your guy whos got the most dog in him

i wonder if there were any iterations of this trade where boston got back tyus jones

idk they were def trying to unload a guard but yeah having his passing mightve been good

also i just dont like zinger as player and as a guy, last couple years teams after they got rid of kanter were finally free of guys i do not like which was nice, but it did have guys i do like like marcus smart

smart averaged 34 mpg in the heat series, brogdon averaged 19. smart played 35 mins in game 7, brogdon played 7