stashing assets for the 2023 nba offseason

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there are so many pro athletes named shaq now

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 17:45 (ten months ago) link

Second round picks are more like a wishing well for nba front offices. About one in fifty picks becomes a valuable piece of the rotation for a good team. About one in a million turns out to be Nikola Jokic.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 19 June 2023 17:49 (ten months ago) link

crazy fact I just read - outside of Bucks/Suns in 2021 every Finals since 2011 has included either the Heat or the Warriors. and yet they never faced each other.

frogbs, Monday, 19 June 2023 17:55 (ten months ago) link

hope someday we see a team with a kobe and lebron playing side by side, bringing harmony to the universe

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 19 June 2023 17:59 (ten months ago) link

People around the league expect the Pelicans to move Zion Williamson by Thursday, per @BillSimmons

“The Zion thing is a real, real, real, subplot. I had somebody tell me yesterday—that I trust—that he will not be on [the Pelicans] by Thursday.” pic.twitter.com/CXZAgpr2kr

— NBACentral (@TheNBACentral) June 19, 2023

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 18:30 (ten months ago) link

good

ciderpress, Monday, 19 June 2023 18:31 (ten months ago) link

gotta be a deal to charlotte for the #2

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 19 June 2023 18:34 (ten months ago) link

I feel like Scoot Henderson is going to go before Miller partially because his name is so cool

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 June 2023 18:43 (ten months ago) link

developing a new orlando magic theory

ciderpress, Monday, 19 June 2023 18:45 (ten months ago) link

melo-zion could be crazy if either of them ever play in games and learn defense

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 18:54 (ten months ago) link

2 big ifs!

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 19 June 2023 19:04 (ten months ago) link

some pretty major ifs

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 19:06 (ten months ago) link

one might say the biggest ifs

Spottie, Monday, 19 June 2023 19:11 (ten months ago) link

were i building a team i would prob not do it but as a fan i am willing to watch

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 19:12 (ten months ago) link

they prob should just trade melo to celtics

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 19:12 (ten months ago) link

isiah in the mix

NEW: Sat down with Chris Paul this morning for a lengthy chat in NYC. He said he found out about the trade via a text message from his 14 year old son. Cited multiple times that that Mat Ishbia and *Isiah Thomas* wanted to go in a different direction. https://t.co/bGSfNUge0d

— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) June 19, 2023

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 19:16 (ten months ago) link

james jones easiest job in the league right now

Spottie, Monday, 19 June 2023 19:21 (ten months ago) link

in some ways, but easiest =/= most job security

In the interview, Paul seemed caught off guard by the trade. He said he spoke to James Jones yesterday. pic.twitter.com/IF4xMI5wCP

— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) June 19, 2023

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 19 June 2023 19:37 (ten months ago) link

Does Isiah actually have a job with the Suns organization? Or is he just tight with Ishbia? I'm thinking it's the latter, unless something has happened recently.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 19 June 2023 20:50 (ten months ago) link

CP3 is 38. His salary for the next two seasons when he'll be 39 & 40 years old:

- 2023-24 = $30,800,000, with $15,800,000 guaranteed, becoming fully guaranteed on 6/28/23.

- 2024-25 = $30,000,000, non-guaranteed, becoming fully guaranteed on 6/28/24.

Surely he understood from the start that those terms always meant he'd be standing on shaky ground after this season ended, unless he was playing like a top ten player.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 19 June 2023 23:13 (ten months ago) link

i spent a bunch of today driving around listening to various reactions to the beal trade, which was interesting. a lot of the more positive takes make 2 points--1) they aren't any more screwed now than they were before as far as the second apron and punitive things down the road and 2) they turned chris paul, who they were going to wave, into beal and how can you argue with that?

i get these points and i guess it was a very unique situation with beal's no trade and the need to do this now before the new cba kicks in, so maybe taking issue with the on-court fit is missing the point, but i feel strongly that it's a rough fit. when you're saying things like this will help free up kevin durant to put more effort toward defense and rebounding, which is something nate duncan actually said, you're getting a little galaxy brain and not just stating the obvious which is that the suns are spending like 90 million on identical shooting guards.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 02:22 (ten months ago) link

the other thing is that yeah this team will have a great offense, but i'm not sure it's that hard to have a great offense? the sacramento kings just finished a season as the best offense in the nba, their best player is maybe the 20th best player in the league?

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 02:27 (ten months ago) link

defense is still somehow underrated in the league

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 03:03 (ten months ago) link

the other thing is that yeah this team will have a great offense, but i'm not sure it's that hard to have a great offense? the sacramento kings just finished a season as the best offense in the nba, their best player is maybe the 20th best player in the league?

― call all destroyer, Monday, June 19, 2023 9:27 PM (forty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is very true, and also due to having a playmaking guard (fox) paired with a passing big operating at the top of the key (sabonis) which is pretty much the nugs formula for generating offense.

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Tuesday, 20 June 2023 03:11 (ten months ago) link

yeah I’m not sure I see it, with beal you’re committing yourself to more years and sort of capping your medium-term upside for a guy with a redundant skill set. and the amount of passing talent on that team is pretty concerning imo

k3vin k., Tuesday, 20 June 2023 03:11 (ten months ago) link

i bet their offense won't even be tops

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 03:18 (ten months ago) link

their main guys are not going to play enough!

k3vin k., Tuesday, 20 June 2023 03:18 (ten months ago) link

as i understand it the suns are going to be in the second apron for the next two years basically no matter what, then they'll need to be out for the three years after that to avoid the really bad stuff, i'm sure that will have no unexpected implications lol

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 03:23 (ten months ago) link

i’m not even a suns fan and the whole situation makes me feel anxious

circles, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 03:29 (ten months ago) link

it feels like james edwards is very confident that ausar thompson is the pick at 5 pic.twitter.com/va6CamtUHZ

— dope ™️ (@dopeisalive) June 19, 2023

having a pick from like 4-10 feels like a total crapshoot

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Tuesday, 20 June 2023 03:32 (ten months ago) link

wild how every single team situation KD's gotten himself into since the Thunder has been deeply strange on some level

frogbs, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 03:35 (ten months ago) link

gm lebron >> gm kd

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Tuesday, 20 June 2023 03:41 (ten months ago) link

having a pick from like 4-10 feels like a total crapshoot

i'd say you have to draft for need in a year like this but every guy is a 6'7" wing who purportedly does the same stuff give or take

Clay, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 03:42 (ten months ago) link

yeah no guards, no centers, it definitely gets subjective quick

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 03:46 (ten months ago) link

i dont know that this is true tho, amen and ausar are literal twins but amen is coming in as a big PG and ausar is a wing. anthony black will be playing point in the NBA. jarace walker is ostensibly a big if not a C. lively could go as high as 10 to dallas as a rim-protecting center. hendricks is a sharp-shooting stretch 4.

i think a lot of teams could address needs if they decide to draft for fit, i guess i'd chalk some of this up to teams that are trying to figure out if they have a meaningful core to build around or need to keep swinging for all-star scoring upside (DET and HOU esp) are followed by teams who definitely need to swing for all-star upside but are going to eat the leftovers of the lottery (IND, WAS, UTA) unless they trade up.

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Tuesday, 20 June 2023 04:07 (ten months ago) link

gm lebron >> gm kd

― slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, June 19, 2023 8:41 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

GM durant vs GM bron: a hoops poll

Spottie, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 05:35 (ten months ago) link

its a good poll

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Tuesday, 20 June 2023 06:12 (ten months ago) link

we'll have some new data to crunch by end of next season for sure

Spottie, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 07:09 (ten months ago) link

not convinced kd was involved in this one

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 12:25 (ten months ago) link

I just talked to him he said he did it

k3vin k., Tuesday, 20 June 2023 13:20 (ten months ago) link

well then

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 13:27 (ten months ago) link

passive aggressively forcing dame to demand a trade

"Blazers have started to maybe indicate that they won't trade the No. 3 pick... Dame does not want a youth movement, he wants to play with veterans... [Portland] is causing a bit of an issue there with Damian Lillard."

—Brian Windhorst

(@GetUpESPN)pic.twitter.com/TjLCuptwvo

— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPointsApp) June 20, 2023

lag∞n, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 14:39 (ten months ago) link

one good prospect isnt really a youth movement

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 14:44 (ten months ago) link

simons sharpe #3... whoever they can get for dame, whoever they can get for their other vets

lag∞n, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 14:46 (ten months ago) link

add #3 pick to simons and sharpe and that's a youth movement

ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 20 June 2023 14:46 (ten months ago) link

is dame dissatisfied with simons and sharpe

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 14:48 (ten months ago) link

they do have a lot of guards i guess

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 14:50 (ten months ago) link

seems like dame is maybe going to get traded

lag∞n, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 14:55 (ten months ago) link

portland has always had a lot of guards

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 June 2023 15:31 (ten months ago) link

they should check out: forwards

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 15:32 (ten months ago) link


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